Was Jesus Really Crucified

[we-live-now]

That interpretation is your personal opinion.


Nothing more.

Actually, isn't it my personal conclusion based on the evidence that the Greek word "nun" appears in these two verses?

nun: now, the present
Original Word: νῦν
Part of Speech: Adverb
Transliteration: nun
Phonetic Spelling: (noon)
Short Definition: now, already, at present
Definition: adv. (a) of time: just now, even now; just at hand, immediately, (b) of logical connection: now then, (c) in commands and appeals: at this instant.

Strong's Greek: 3568. νῦν (nun) -- now, the present

 

[outhouse]

Actually, isn't it my personal conclusion based on the evidence that the Greek word "nun" appears in these two verses?

nun: now, the present
Original Word: νῦν
Part of Speech: Adverb
Transliteration: nun
Phonetic Spelling: (noon)
Short Definition: now, already, at present
Definition: adv. (a) of time: just now, even now; just at hand, immediately, (b) of logical connection: now then, (c) in commands and appeals: at this instant.

Strong's Greek: 3568. νῦν (nun) -- now, the present

It is still your personal opinion, no one else's I know. You refuted nothing with this reply.

 

[we-live-now]

It is still your personal opinion, no one else's I know. You refuted nothing with this reply.

Ok, I guess everything we say (no matter what) is our opinion then. I am ok with that. Here is "my opinion".

My opinion is that the Greek word "nun" means "right now at this present moment" according to Strong's Exhaustive Concordance #3568.

It is also my opinion that because the Greek word "nun" appears in Matthew 27:42 and Mark 15:32 then these verses have to say that Christ, the King of Israel is somehow still on the cross right now dying.

My opinion says this definitely could be true as I see the Bible as spiritual Words speaking of a (still hidden) spiritual realm and NOT the natural realm we are in now. This would be the same location of the current soul and spirit of man.

I make this my opinion based upon hundreds if not thousands of hours of intensive scripture study of original words, meditation and writing. Jesus has died and rose to life, yet part of him is still dying. I am not saying there was NOT a natural cross. I am saying the TRUE cross was and IS spiritual. Natural only points to spiritual or is an "image" of it. The written Word is only a pointer to the living Word who is a spirit man.

So, what is your opinion?

 

[outhouse]

Mark 15:32 then these verses have to say that Christ, the King of Israel is somehow still on the cross right now dying.

It does not say that.

Mark 15:32New International Version (NIV)
32 Let this Messiah, this king of Israel, come down now from the cross, that we may see and believe.” Those crucified with him also heaped insults on him.

 

[outhouse]

My opinion is that the Greek word "nun" means "right now at this present moment" according to Strong's Exhaustive Concordance #3568.

Context is key.

take him down NOW! does not mean leave him up there forever !

 

[we-live-now]

Context is key.

take him down NOW! does not mean leave him up there forever !

But, isn't God's Word always true regardless of age/time? Is it eternal (outside of all time) and thus true for ALL ages? Or is it age-specific? Or both? My opinion is that every word of it is true even right now in this current time/age. I could be wrong though.

 

[Muffled]

I think they would've mentioned if a soldier decided to stab him in the heart with a spear. But instead it just says "pieced his side". There is a significant difference in orders of magnitude between those things.

Do you expect a medical diagnosis from a fisherman?

 

[Muffled]

Dear nobody,
The matter of great faith would indicate Yeshua never was crucified. His prayer to his Father was to "let this cup pass me".

I don't see that as faith but as illogical reasoning.

I believe that is nice but his final prayer was "Thy will be done."

 

[Nietzsche]

Do you expect a medical diagnosis from a fisherman?

A blind man could tell you if someone was ran through in the chest with a spear.

 

[Muffled]

Context is key.

take him down NOW! does not mean leave him up there forever !

I agree that your logic is correct and would add that an immediate now is only good for the moment it happens.

 

[Muffled]

A blind man could tell you if someone was ran through in the chest with a spear.

I believe that is what they saw and what they reported however I am saying that a soldier is in the killing business and knows how to do it much better than a fisherman would.

 

[Nietzsche]

I believe that is what they saw and what they reported however I am saying that a soldier is in the killing business and knows how to do it much better than a fisherman would.

I do not doubt that. But it does not say that the soldier pierced his side to kill him. It states they did so to see if he was dead.

 

[we-live-now]

I agree that your logic is correct and would add that an immediate now is only good for the moment it happens.

Cool. Here's more to ponder.

What if it is still happening (in the hidden spiritual realm) and "now" started in the spiritual realm upon the start of his (spiritual) crucifixion and will end when the last part of mankind fully "dies"?

What if time (and space) is irrelevant to God and for him "now" is defined by HIM (not us!) and "now" can start and end at ANY TIME or AGE? If so, couldn't his "now" or "the present time" still be occurring even as I write this?

What if Christ truly is the LAST Adam (1 Cor 15:45) and all of mankind was placed into his (spiritual) body to finish their "death" (just as the "first Adam") and then be fully raised to life in the "last Adam" (who btw, is a spiritual man named "Noah")?

Wow, what if we have been defining so many things and words according to our natural minds (confined to space and time under law/division/blindness) and thus have not seen the TRUE amazing glory and awesome beauty of God's plan for us (all of us)? What if God's Words are for all people of all ages and all times and not just "us now who believe"?

 

[outhouse]

What if it is still happening

"What if" is imaginary in nature and not a real answer.

Wow, what if

Excited imagination.