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Was Jesus's Prophesy Wrong?

Dubio

Member
I read arguments from skeptics and believers and it only resulted in continued confusion. Believers say Jesus was talking about the generation that sees the signs and skeptics say Jesus was talking about the generation living at the time. What say you?

Amen, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away. (Mark 13:30-31 NAB
 

Bob Dixon

>implying
I think he was talking about the generation at the time.
Was he referring to an actual destruction of the world, though? I don't think so. It's more likely that he's talking about the events leading up to the destruction of the Temple, which some people who were there might have even witnessed in their old age.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
He was wrong.

Most the things he listed came to pass except for the sun darkening and the stars falling from the sky. Also the most important part where the son of man comes in a cloud hasn't happened however if you take revelations metaphorically then there may just be some symbolism that I'm not aware so it could have also all happened but didn't really amount to much. There are stilll earthquakes and wars and rumors of wars so it wasn't much of a sign to begin with.
 

Bob Dixon

>implying
He was wrong.

Most the things he listed came to pass except for the sun darkening and the stars falling from the sky. Also the most important part where the son of man comes in a cloud hasn't happened however if you take revelations metaphorically then there may just be some symbolism that I'm not aware so it could have also all happened but didn't really amount to much. There are stilll earthquakes and wars and rumors of wars so it wasn't much of a sign to begin with.

The symbolism is used.
We don't understand it because we aren't his disciples, we weren't there, and we don't know the greater context. Look, for example, at the seventh verse in the Gospel of Thomas:

Jesus said, "Blessed is the lion which becomes man when consumed by man; and cursed is the man whom the lion consumes, and the lion becomes man."

Anyone who claims that this should be taken literally doesn't get the point.
What is the actual interpretation of the saying? Well, I don't know. But there you have it.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
He was wrong.

Most the things he listed came to pass except for the sun darkening and the stars falling from the sky. Also the most important part where the son of man comes in a cloud hasn't happened however if you take revelations metaphorically then there may just be some symbolism that I'm not aware so it could have also all happened but didn't really amount to much. There are stilll earthquakes and wars and rumors of wars so it wasn't much of a sign to begin with.

I agree he was wrong.


I think he ate to many shrooms or peyote out on his fast and came back talking sideways. I often wonder of his mental health for basically going into the city and getting himself killed.

I think he did talk of prophecy and the end of times for all coming in his generation, instead it was just his time was short.
 

McBell

Unbound
I read arguments from skeptics and believers and it only resulted in continued confusion. Believers say Jesus was talking about the generation that sees the signs and skeptics say Jesus was talking about the generation living at the time. What say you?

Amen, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away. (Mark 13:30-31 NAB
Where is the context to indicate that Jesus meant not the current generation, but some other generation?
 

JacobEzra.

Dr. Greenthumb
I think he was talking about the generation at the time.
Was he referring to an actual destruction of the world, though? I don't think so. It's more likely that he's talking about the events leading up to the destruction of the Temple, which some people who were there might have even witnessed in their old age.

Sure that couuld be it. Though with the seige and all I'm not sure how many of his generation was alive in 70ce. And there was not second coming.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
I read arguments from skeptics and believers and it only resulted in continued confusion. Believers say Jesus was talking about the generation that sees the signs and skeptics say Jesus was talking about the generation living at the time. What say you?

Amen, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away. (Mark 13:30-31 NAB

Is it possible that "this generation" was referring to the generation that was to witness these things.

He's talking about the abomination that causes desolation. Nuclear bomb set off in Judea? Then describes a possible nuclear winter.

Whatever it is it has to be obvious enough that his words will be recalled and the warning of the nearing end.

Also says no one knows when this will occur. So I suppose if a nuclear blast destroys what was Judea, the countdown starts. A generation is about 20? 40? 60? years. So if we get say 60 years past the time Judea is destroyed by a nuclear blast, then I think we can be fairly safe in saying the prophecy was wrong.
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
I read arguments from skeptics and believers and it only resulted in continued confusion. Believers say Jesus was talking about the generation that sees the signs and skeptics say Jesus was talking about the generation living at the time. What say you?

Amen, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away. (Mark 13:30-31 NAB

His prophecy comes in two parts

the first part is about the system in the first century which saw a destruction by Rome. It was the temple which was completely destroyed in 70ce that Jesus first part of the prophecy refers to:
Matthew 24:1 Departing now, Jesus was on his way from the temple, but his disciples approached to show him the buildings of the temple. 2 In response he said to them: “Do YOU not behold all these things? Truly I say to YOU, By no means will a stone be left here upon a stone and not be thrown down.”...
15-22 “Therefore, when YOU catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place, (let the reader use discernment,) 16 then let those in Ju‧de′a begin fleeing to the mountains. 17 Let the man on the housetop not come down to take the goods out of his house; 18 and let the man in the field not return to the house to pick up his outer garment. 19 Woe to the pregnant women and those suckling a baby in those days! 20 Keep praying that YOUR flight may not occur in wintertime, nor on the sabbath day; 21 for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again. 22 In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short

His prophecy also has fulfillment in the 'final part of the days'...which would be a future time period long after the 1st century:
7 “For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. 8 All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress.
9 “Then people will deliver YOU up to tribulation and will kill YOU, and YOU will be objects of hatred by all the nations on account of my name. 10 Then, also, many will be stumbled and will betray one another and will hate one another. 11 And many false prophets will arise and mislead many; 12 and because of the increasing of lawlessness the love of the greater number will cool off. 13 But he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved. 14 And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.



In both time periods, the generation refers to those who would be living at that time and who would see the events Jesus prophesied:
32 “Now learn from the fig tree as an illustration this point: Just as soon as its young branch grows tender and it puts forth leaves, YOU know that summer is near. 33 Likewise also YOU, when YOU see all these things, know that he is near at the doors. 34 Truly I say to YOU that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will by no means pass away.
The first generation are the ones who heard Jesus words and actually saw the destruction of Jerusalem and its temple in 70CE.

And in the last days, the generation living during the entire time period known as the 'last days' will likewise see a similar, earthwide, destruction. The generation begins with those who saw the beginning of the last days and continues through to those who will see the end of the last days.
 
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Just Another

New Member
Three simple words...were, you, there.

Unless anyone can answer yes then its just like all of the rest of great literature from past times, subjective.

You can think it any way you want, but its all ******* in the wind.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
Three simple words...were, you, there.

Unless anyone can answer yes then its just like all of the rest of great literature from past times, subjective.

You can think it any way you want, but its all ******* in the wind.

false.

by critical analysis of scripture we can pull valid history out of scripture.
 

LegionOnomaMoi

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Believers say Jesus was talking about the generation that sees the signs and skeptics say Jesus was talking about the generation living at the time.
If you have already determined what answer would be given by these two (at least mostly) mutually exclusive groups which also encompass pretty much everyone who would have an answer, why ask the question?
 

Dubio

Member
If you have already determined what answer would be given by these two (at least mostly) mutually exclusive groups which also encompass pretty much everyone who would have an answer, why ask the question?

I guess I'm still grappling with who Jesus really was. Was He a great teacher? A Prophet? The Savior? I watched debates. I read articles and forum posts. I'm currently reading Who Is Jesus by John Dominic Crossan. My head is swimming. I'm just an average guy who doesn't buy into the extreme ends of the spectrum(Fundamentalism and Atheism). I guess I'm trying to find the most likely truth of who Jesus is.
 
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