paarsurrey
Veteran Member
I dont think so.
Your thoughts, please.
Everybody is welcome believing in a religion or not.
Regards
Your thoughts, please.
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Regards
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Was Jonah dead in the belly of the fish/whale?
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Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Jonah was eaten by the whale, digested over the course of three days, and then crapped out in the shape of a man, which was then breathed backed to life by god. I thought everyone knew this.
FunctionalAtheist
Hammer of Reason
I've often found the story of Jonah ironic, as it is an example of false prohecy. According to to the word of god, Jonah should be put to death.
Dueteronomy 18
20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken?
22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
God has given a clear test. If a prophet says a thing in his name, and the thing does not come to pass, the prophet hath spoken it presumptuosly.
Yet Jonah prophesied in the name of god that ninevah would be throwndown. Evidently god changed his mind when the ninevites repented. But that doesn't change the fact that jonah's claim to fame (other than being fish bait) is the false prophecy.
Dueteronomy 18
20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken?
22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
God has given a clear test. If a prophet says a thing in his name, and the thing does not come to pass, the prophet hath spoken it presumptuosly.
Yet Jonah prophesied in the name of god that ninevah would be throwndown. Evidently god changed his mind when the ninevites repented. But that doesn't change the fact that jonah's claim to fame (other than being fish bait) is the false prophecy.
Skwim
Veteran Member
[Jonah is] commanded by God to go to the city of Nineveh to prophesy against it "for their great wickedness is come up before me," Jonah instead seeks to flee from "the presence of the Lord" by going to Jaffa and sailing to Tarshish, which, geographically, is in the opposite direction. A huge storm arises and the sailors, realizing this is no ordinary storm, cast lots and discover that Jonah is to blame. Jonah admits this and states that if he is thrown overboard, the storm will cease. The sailors try to dump as much cargo as possible before giving up, but feel forced to throw him overboard, at which point the sea calms. The sailors then offer sacrifices to God. Jonah is miraculously saved by being swallowed by a large fish where he spends three days and three nights. While in the great fish, Jonah prays to God in his affliction and commits to thanksgiving and to paying what he has vowed. God commands the fish to spew Jonah out.
Source: Wikipedia
Yeah, whatever you say Lord. Just get
me out of this damn fish.
Source: Wikipedia
Yeah, whatever you say Lord. Just get
me out of this damn fish.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
[Jonah is] commanded by God to go to the city of Nineveh to prophesy against it "for their great wickedness is come up before me," Jonah instead seeks to flee from "the presence of the Lord" by going to Jaffa and sailing to Tarshish, which, geographically, is in the opposite direction. A huge storm arises and the sailors, realizing this is no ordinary storm, cast lots and discover that Jonah is to blame. Jonah admits this and states that if he is thrown overboard, the storm will cease. The sailors try to dump as much cargo as possible before giving up, but feel forced to throw him overboard, at which point the sea calms. The sailors then offer sacrifices to God. Jonah is miraculously saved by being swallowed by a large fish where he spends three days and three nights. While in the great fish, Jonah prays to God in his affliction and commits to thanksgiving and to paying what he has vowed. God commands the fish to spew Jonah out.
Source: Wikipedia
Yeah, whatever you say Lord. Just get
me out of this damn fish.
You mean Jonah was alive when he was swallowed by the fish and he remained alive in the belly of fish and came out of the belly of the fish alive. Jonah might have been for quite some time unconscious in the belly of the fish nevertheless he was very much alive.
Thanks and regards
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
What would be your take on Jesus who was also to show Sign of Jonah?
Regards
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
Are we sure we're not talking about Pinocchio and Geppetto?
I mean, we know from the Disney documentary about their journey that there's a big air gap in the whale and you can live in there on a raft. If you want to leave, just make a fire and make the whale sneeze. Simple.
I mean, we know from the Disney documentary about their journey that there's a big air gap in the whale and you can live in there on a raft. If you want to leave, just make a fire and make the whale sneeze. Simple.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
outhouse
Atheistically
100% mythology with no historical core at all in reality.
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
Mix of both probably.
Maybe someone fell overboard, survived, and then came up with this grand story about how he was swallowed by a big fish. (The story doesn't say whale, if I remember right, just a big fish.)
FunctionalAtheist
Hammer of Reason
Are you referring to Jesus being dead 3 days and rising from the dead?
I do not believe this. Nor do I believe Jonah was ever swallowed by a fish and spat out. But as far as I know, the bible at least does not attribute prophesy to jesus, and then celebrate when the prophesy does not come to pass.
When I first read Jonah I had just read Dueteronomy (I read the full christian bible in 5 weeks the first time I read it.) so the test for a prophet was fresh in my mind. It struck me as odd that a holy book would tell you how to spot a false prophet, and then include a book by a prophet who failed that test.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
You have stated that you read the Christian Bible in full. It is stated in Matthew12:39:
Didn't you read it? Please
Regards
outhouse
Atheistically
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
FunctionalAtheist
Hammer of Reason
Yes, I read it. Jesus quoting this shows that he lacked understanding that Jonah was a false prophet. Not surprising given the numerous and obvious mistakes the authors of the NT made in discussing OT scripture.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
No, It is in the Jewish Bible, Yonah - Jonah.
The Children Book you have read might have plagiarized it from Jewish Bible as per your parameters.
Regards
FunctionalAtheist
Hammer of Reason
LOL, no! Not an uncommon mistake. A whale is a mammel, with hair, mammary glands (they feed their babies milk), homeothermy (they are warm-blooded), placental (they attach to their unborn children with an umbilical cord), live child birth, and breath oxygen in air with lungs. They cannot breath air through the water with gills.
Fish have no hair, no mammary glands, lay eggs, and are cold-blooded. They breath oxygen through water with gills.