Was Muhammad a good man?

[Scimitar]

You are wrong. And you think you are a jedi knight u do. Lol

You are confusing the state city of Jerusalem with a Kingdom that never was.... sheesh

 

[Moishe3rd]

You are wrong. And you think you are a jedi knight u do. Lol

You are confusing the state city of Jerusalem with a Kingdom that never was.... sheesh

Heh, heh, heh... Jedi not I be...

And, as your views are historically out to lunch - having no basis whatsoever in either religious; archaeological; or written history, we really don't have much basis for discussion.

 

[Scimitar]

Actually we do, but you recognised that I know my terms and you only confuse them and so - typically you are looking for an exit strategy.

Obvious. NOt to mention your posts are hecka offtopic in the first place.

best,

Scimitar

 

[Moishe3rd]

Actually we do, but you recognised that I know my terms and you only confuse them and so - typically you are looking for an exit strategy.

Obvious. NOt to mention your posts are hecka offtopic in the first place.

best,

Scimitar

My responses to your or other's questions and/or statements are off topic?
All right then. Good luck with that...

 

[farouk]

I was not referring to the secular Jewish State of Israel, but to G-d's People, the Children of Israel; Jews.

And, the reason "why" is because G-d Chooses the Children of Israel; Yaakov Avinu, the son of Yitzchak Avinu; Yitzchak Avinu, the son of Avraham Avinu - as is recorded in His Torah.
He then directs Israel to live in the Land that G-d gives to them, the Land of Israel.

Over 3,000 years ago, G-d made all of these Promises and Judgments when He gave His Torah to the Children of Israel.
All of the rest of your list above came much, much later and were not mentioned in G-d's Torah.
The "Great Nation" descended from Avraham Avinu was Israel.

"The Lord said to Abram, Go forth from your native land and from your father's house to the land that I will show you.
2 I will make of you a great nation,
And I will bless you;
I will make your name great,
And you shall be a blessing.
3 I will bless those who bless you
And curse him that curses you;
And all the families of the earth
Shall bless themselves by you."

G-d's Torah then describes how Yitzchak; Yaakov; and Yisroel were the "great nation" that G-d had promised to Avraham Avinu.

Peace to all
Moishe3rd
Please read what i say very carefully before rushing to answer.
Firstly you mention Israel then you mention not the secular state of Israel but the Jews.
If you know the definition of "a Jew" then you will understand that a Jew refers to a people and not a nation.There was a nation called Judah and its citizens were called Jews.That nation Judah is no more in existenance because it vanished.
Secondly if you read your bible carefully.
genesis 12:1....."The Lord said to Abram, Go forth from your native land and from your father's house to the land that I will show you".
genesis 12:6,7
"Abram traveled through the land as far as the site of the great tree of Moreh at Shechem. At that time the Canaanites were in the land.
The Lord appeared to Abram and said, “To your offspringI will give this land.” So he built an altar there to the Lord, who had appeared to him.

The verse is very clear.God promised a land and that land was in Shechem.Now you and i know that Shechem is in the West Bank.Hence it cannot be Israel because the promised land is in Palestine.

Thirdly the verse gives a condition regarding who this "great nation" will be.Please read very carefully.
2 I will make of you a great nation,
And I will bless you;
I will make your name great,
And you shall be a blessing.
3 I will bless those who bless you
And curse him that curses you;
And all the families of the earth
Shall bless themselves by you."

The condition is this promised nation will bless Prophet Abraham(peace and blessings be upon him).The question is who is this nation?
Note i know you will have difficulty in answering this simple question.But if you are a religious and truthful person then God will make it easy for you in admitting the truth.
Peace and may God guide you
Farouk

 

[Moishe3rd]

Peace to all
Moishe3rd
Please read what i say very carefully before rushing to answer.
Firstly you mention Israel then you mention not the secular state of Israel but the Jews.
If you know the definition of "a Jew" then you will understand that a Jew refers to a people and not a nation.There was a nation called Judah and its citizens were called Jews.That nation Judah is no more in existenance because it vanished.
Secondly if you read your bible carefully.
genesis 12:1....."The Lord said to Abram, Go forth from your native land and from your father's house to the land that I will show you".
genesis 12:6,7
"Abram traveled through the land as far as the site of the great tree of Moreh at Shechem. At that time the Canaanites were in the land.
The Lord appeared to Abram and said, “To your offspringI will give this land.” So he built an altar there to the Lord, who had appeared to him.

The verse is very clear.God promised a land and that land was in Shechem.Now you and i know that Shechem is in the West Bank.Hence it cannot be Israel because the promised land is in Palestine.

Thirdly the verse gives a condition regarding who this "great nation" will be.Please read very carefully.
2 I will make of you a great nation,
And I will bless you;
I will make your name great,
And you shall be a blessing.
3 I will bless those who bless you
And curse him that curses you;
And all the families of the earth
Shall bless themselves by you."

The condition is this promised nation will bless Prophet Abraham(peace and blessings be upon him).The question is who is this nation?
Note i know you will have difficulty in answering this simple question.But if you are a religious and truthful person then God will make it easy for you in admitting the truth.
Peace and may God guide you
Farouk

My dear farouk,
The Torah tells us that the Children of Israel were many things, including a nation and including a "people."
There is also a long and involved explanation of the Babylonian Exile and the return of the Nation of Israel to rebuild the Second Temple. All of the Jews that are extant today are descendants of those descendants of Avraham; Yitzach and Yisroel.
Your claims that because the original Kingdom of Israel and the subsequent kingdoms of Israel and Judah, no longer exist and so therefore, Jews do not exist, is specious and silly.
Guess what bubelah?
Mohammad and his tribal followers are all dead. Ergo, according to your logic, neither the nation of Islam nor the religion of Islam exists today...
Think about it.

Shechem was located approximately where Nablus is located today. Hashem Promised the Land of the Canaanites; the Girga****es; the Jebusites; the Amorites; the Perizzites; the Hivites; etc., among others to the Children of Israel and their descendants forever.
Which, I believe, if you read your Koran, your Mohammad reaffirms:

We [Allah] settled the Israelites in a blessed land and provided them with good things".
[Qur'an: Sura 10, "Jonah", verse 93]

"Pharoah sought to scare them [the Jews] out of the land [of Israel]: but We [Allah] drowned him, together with all who were with him. Then We said to the Israelites: 'Dwell in this land. When the promise of the hereafter comes to be fulfilled, We shall assemble you all together [in the Land of Israel in the End of Days]".
[Qur'an: Sura 17, "The Night Journey", verse 103]

"We [Allah] gave the persecuted people [the Jews] dominion over the eastern and western lands which We had blessed [the east and west banks of the Jordan River]. Thus your Lord's gracious word was fulfilled for the Israelites, because they had endured with fortitude; and We destroyed the edifices and towers of Pharoah and his people".
[Qur'an: Sura 7, "The Heights", verse 137]

I'm not sure why you want to argue this point.
Be well, yourself!

 

[farouk]

Peace upon the knowledge seekers.
My dear brother Moishe3rd.
Firstly if you read my very first sentence in my posting i said "Please read what i say very carefully before rushing to answer" and believe me you did just the opposite.
Where did i ever say or imply that "Jews do not exist".I am not sure if you understand simple english that i am writing.Please go back and read what i said.
Secondly because you are having difficulty in answering my simple question ,regarding who the great nation that God promised in the Bible,i have noticed that you have run for a answer to the Noble Quraan.Remember if you do not understand the contents in the Bible then you will never understand what in the Noble Quraan.
Thirdly all the verses you mentioned from the Noble Quraan never, and i am empasising on the word never ,refer to the Jews(Yahud).All your mentioned verses refers to Bani Israel(children of Israel).Its very obvious from your writings that you do not know the difference between the Yahud(Jew) and Bani Israel(Children of Israel).Note if you study the entire Noble Quraan you will notice that God differentiate between Bani Israel and Yahud.Each one is mentioned seperately.Do you know why?
Note the answer to this question is in your Bible and i will explain it to you later.
Finally i am not here to argue but i am here to put the record straight.Abraham,Moses and aaron(peace and blessings be upon them all) were never Yahud(Jews).They were Hebrews.
Stay tuned and i will discuss about your roots from the Bible.
Peace and may God guide you.
Farouk

 

[FearGod]

Pretty much. He was just a narcissistic warlord and probable psychopath. It's absurd how he's been built up into some paragon of righteousness and godliness. Might as well revere Genghis Khan as the ultimate "prophet" of Allah. Actually Genghis Khan might have been a better person than Muhammad. Sorry, Genghis.

Over 2 billions on earth follow his message and respect him as a messenger.

Could you please tell me how many in this world know you ? and i wonder if even they care to know you.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Over 2 billions on earth follow his message and respect him as a messenger.

Could you please tell me how many in this world know you ? and i wonder if even they care to know you.

I'm sorry, am I supposed to care about how many people are members of the Mohammad fanclub? I didn't realize this was a popularity contest. Even then, it doesn't mean much. 2 billion other people worship a Jew they think came back from the dead almost 2,000 years ago and that somehow his death is a "get of hell free" card. People believe silly things, especially in large groups.

By the way, there are not 2 billion Muslims, let alone "over" 2 billion.

 

[FearGod]

I'm sorry, am I supposed to care about how many people are members of the Mohammad fanclub? I didn't realize this was a popularity contest. Even then, it doesn't mean much. 2 billion other people worship a Jew they think came back from the dead almost 2,000 years ago and that somehow his death is a "get of hell free" card. People believe silly things, especially in large groups.

By the way, there are not 2 billion Muslims, let alone "over" 2 billion.

Do you think there are 2 billions believing Jesus as God ? by name yes,but in reality they don't even though they pretend in believing so.

Putin: America Is Godless, Has Turned Away from Christian Values

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Do you think there are 2 billions believing Jesus as God ? by name yes,but in reality they don't even though they pretend in believing so.

Putin: America Is Godless, Has Turned Away from Christian Values

I'm sorry, am I supposed to care about what your idea of a "true Christian" is? Let alone care about that wannabe tyrant, Putin's, political ramblings? (If you think Putin is a "true Christian" and Russia is a "true Christian" country, then that's frightening.)

 

[FearGod]

I'm sorry, am I supposed to care about what your idea of a "true Christian" is? Let alone care about that wannabe tyrant, Putin's, political ramblings? (If you think Putin is a "true Christian" and Russia is a "true Christian" country, then that's frightening.)

I don't believe there is any true Christian,i believe that they found out that their faith on Jesus and the bible were irrational and then most have chosen the path of Atheism and some others chose Hinduism or Buddhism..etc .

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I don't believe there is any true Christian,i believe that they found out that their faith on Jesus and the bible were irrational and then most have chosen the path of Atheism and some others chose Hinduism or Buddhism..etc .

Yes, there's no Christians in the world. Yeah, right. You go ahead and keep believing that. Whatever.

 

[FearGod]

Yes, there's no Christians in the world. Yeah, right. You go ahead and keep believing that. Whatever.

In reality,no
but by name,there are,maybe you are included even though you aren't .

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

In reality,no
but by name,there are,maybe you are included even though you aren't .

I'm not a Christian. No one cares about who you think is a Christian or not, as if it matters. You apparently think that all those Wahhabis and Jihadists are "real Muslims" (since you gave such an over-inflated number of Muslims), so I don't really care about your opinion on anything.

 

[FearGod]

I'm not a Christian. No one cares about who you think is a Christian or not, as if it matters. You apparently think that all those Wahhabis and Jihadists are "real Muslims" (since you gave such an over-inflated number of Muslims), so I don't really care about your opinion on anything.

That is a good point,Yes Islam is a peaceful religion and there is few fake Muslims. :yes:

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

That is a good point,Yes Islam is a peaceful religion and there is few fake Muslims. :yes:

Wow...

I'm just going to take a step back from this and think about whether I'm going to put you on ignore or not.

 

[FearGod]

Wow...

I'm just going to take a step back from this and think about whether I'm going to put you on ignore or not.

Did i make a mistake that disturbed you.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Did i make a mistake that disturbed you.

Are you saying that the loons who run Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, the Muslim Brotherhood, the Taliban, etc. are all "real Muslims"? That's millions of Muslims right there. You agree with Islamic theocracies that restrict human rights to a dreadful extent?

Or am I misunderstanding you?

 

[FearGod]

Are you saying that the loons who run Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, the Muslim Brotherhood, the Taliban, etc. are all "real Muslims"? That's millions of Muslims right there. You agree with Islamic theocracies that restrict human rights to a dreadful extent?

Or am I misunderstanding you?

Thats why i said you raised a good point,Yes i agree with you they aren't true Muslims as what they do has nothing to do with real Islam.