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Was Muhammad mad?

sovietchild

sovietchild

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icehorse said:
My studies of Muhammad have not led me to the conclusion that he was trustworthy. Just because a claim is made, doesn't mean the claim is true.

Let me give you another example: Many, many, many times in the Quran the claim is made that Allah is merciful. But if you read the Quran with an objective perspective, Allah seems to be anything BUT merciful. So things like trustworthiness and mercifulness are proved through actions, not words.
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Did you know that back in the day keeping your word was a big deal? Even Abd al-Muṭṭalib was about to sacrifice his son just because he had to keep his word. Abd al-Muṭṭalib was an old man with only 1 son, he vowed that if he were to have ten sons to protect him, he would sacrifice one of them to Allah at the Kaaba. Later, after nine more sons had been born to him, he told the people he must keep the vow.
 
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Notanumber

Notanumber

A Free Man
icehorse said:
My sense is that he was smart, charismatic, a good politician, and a good general. But I also think he was a liar, a hypocrite, and probably a sociopath - much like many of today's politicians :confused:
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Lorgar-Aurelian said:
You ever notice the only thing that just keeps calling him trustworthy is Islamic sources? You ever notice that they destroyed just about everything that may of said otherwise or any nonmuslim account of the time of Muhammad?
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leibowde84

leibowde84

Veteran Member
Notanumber said:
Was having your right hand chopped off a death sentence if you are not allowed to eat with your left hand?

38. Cut off (from the wrist joint) the (right) hand of the thief, male or female, as a recompense for that which they committed, a punishment by way of example from Allah. And Allah is All-Powerful, All-Wise.

Quran (5:38) - "As to the thief, Male or female, cut off his or her hands: a punishment by way of example, from Allah, for their crime: and Allah is Exalted in power." Keep in mind that the Quran promises the most severe of punishments for those who believe in one part of the Quran, but not the other (2:85). There is no such thing as moderate Islam. Those Muslims who reject cutting off hands for theft are disregarding an explicit rule in the Quran. This makes them subject to punishment from true believers, since they are hypocrites by definition (see 66:9).
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You must have the same issues with Judaism and Christianity though, right? There are the same rules, for example in Deuteronomy, that Jews and Christians do not follow anymore.
 
Lorgar-Aurelian

Lorgar-Aurelian

Active Member
icehorse said:
My studies of Muhammad have not led me to the conclusion that he was trustworthy. Just because a claim is made, doesn't mean the claim is true.

Let me give you another example: Many, many, many times in the Quran the claim is made that Allah is merciful. But if you read the Quran with an objective perspective, Allah seems to be anything BUT merciful. So things like trustworthiness and mercifulness are proved through actions, not words.
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Yeah! What the sexy horse said!
 
Lorgar-Aurelian

Lorgar-Aurelian

Active Member
sovietchild said:
Did you know that back in the day keeping your word was a big deal? Even Abd al-Muṭṭalib was about to sacrifice his son just because he had to keep his word. Abd al-Muṭṭalib was an old man with only 1 son, he vowed that if he were to have ten sons to protect him, he would sacrifice one of them to Allah at the Kaaba. Later, after nine more sons had been born to him, he told the people he must keep the vow.
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IS your argument then that "Hey people wanted to keep their word, they couldn't lie! No one would ever lie about something!"

You ****ing kidding me?
 
David1967

David1967

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"Was Muhammad mad?"
Don't know about "Mad", but I'm sure he got at least mildly irritated at people sometimes. :)
 
Fire_Monkey

Fire_Monkey

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He probably was mentally unbalanced. After all, he claimed to have been spoken to by a god. He was uneducated and indeed illiterate. He was also a war monger, and he was certainly a pedophile, as he married a 9 year-old girl.

He is not alone however, as a goodly percentage of the past world's religious leaders and Holy Men have been mentally unbalanced. At least inofar as modern psychiatric diagnoses would say. Hell, (see what I just did there? LOL) I think that even those Young Earthers, and folks who think the Old Testament is the literal and inerrant world of god are delusional at the least, and are harboring quasi-psychotic ideation even.
 
sovietchild

sovietchild

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icehorse said:
Out of curiosity, in your opinion, would this sacrifice have been a moral act?
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Well, everyone was against it. The Quraysh protested ‘Abdul-Muṭṭalib's intention to sacrifice his son and demanded that he sacrifice something else instead. They ended up sacrificing 100 camels.
 
sovietchild

sovietchild

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Fire_Monkey said:
He probably was mentally unbalanced. After all, he claimed to have been spoken to by a god. He was uneducated and indeed illiterate. He was also a war monger, and he was certainly a pedophile, as he married a 9 year-old girl.

He is not alone however, as a goodly percentage of the past world's religious leaders and Holy Men have been mentally unbalanced. At least inofar as modern psychiatric diagnoses would say. Hell, (see what I just did there? LOL) I think that even those Young Earthers, and folks who think the Old Testament is the literal and inerrant world of god are delusional at the least, and are harboring quasi-psychotic ideation even.
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What are the chances your great grand mother was 10 years old when she gave birth?
 
icehorse

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
sovietchild said:
Well, everyone was against it. The Quraysh protested ‘Abdul-Muṭṭalib's intention to sacrifice his son and demanded that he sacrifice something else instead. They ended up sacrificing 100 camels.
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I'm interested in your opinion about the morality of the situation?
 
sovietchild

sovietchild

Well-Known Member
Fire_Monkey said:
You're wrong again.

You're really bad at this, aren't you? You sound like you're about 13 yourself. LOL

Here...learn something...............

When Did Teen Girls Stop Commonly Getting Married?

Mohammed was a pedophile, just so you know.
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Actually, having sex with 13 year old girls was common among people like you few centuries ago.

It is more common for a young woman to have been married early, though not to have had her first child until she was much older. It is agreed that the most common age for a young woman to have given birth to her first child is from 16yo.

Women of History: Medieval Marriage & Childbirth
 
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Mindmaster

Mindmaster

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Premium Member
Notanumber said:
Was having your right hand chopped off a death sentence if you are not allowed to eat with your left hand?

38. Cut off (from the wrist joint) the (right) hand of the thief, male or female, as a recompense for that which they committed, a punishment by way of example from Allah. And Allah is All-Powerful, All-Wise.
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I think you're onto the real punishment, that is, being forced to eat from your doo-doo hand. Anyway, the great part about being me is I am not taking advice from two-thousand year old prophets, or their 1400 year old predecessors.

Despite what people tell me about Islam in general, it seems the punishments given for various infractions are simply designed to be the most cruel. If there were a God, hopefully he's a lot nicer than the one in Islam... :D
 
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Deidre

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I picture Muhammad to be a warrior, who stood by his faith, defending it. Many people compare him to Jesus for example, and Jesus wasn't a warrior and didn't defend the faith as Muhammad did. I've read that many were trying to kill Muhammad due to his beliefs, etc...so, I guess it's a matter of perspectives.
 
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