No! The directions to not tamper with scripture is for believers. LOL. I have to learn to like stupid.
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Was Paul worthy to be an Apostle?
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blue taylor
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There are hundreds of websites dedicated to the differences in the teachings of Jesus and Paul. You know this. It is a waste of time to debate it again here. If you want to learn the differences, start here. http://www.problemswithpaul.com/Apostle_Paul.html
When you are done there simply go to one of the many others, on and on, and on.
Revelation does not say God protects it. It says those who tamper with it will suffer. Why would Deut say DON'T do something that a person CAN'T do because, "God protects it", says you?
Tell this to a poor child in a poor country. What? With no Bible and no help the child is lost. Yes or no?
That strange phenomenon again where you are warning me of something that you are so obviously doing.
Yes. Trusting in your own opinion is foul.
I NEVER said scriptures are worthless. Can you hear me?
I think you mean the other way around. I hope you mean the other way around. The written word reflects the living word. I agree. 1 Corinthians 13:12
Do you think you don't? I know I do! John 1:18 Interesting! I thought to say someone wrote it wrong but I think it is right! Yah! Another right one. I was going to say that John 1:18 does not say, "has made God known" but IS MAKING God known. And see! It says the word means, "to show the way". I believe that. The resurrected Jesus is showing us the way. But I think you do not believe in a resurrected Jesus. Am I right?
Redemptionsong
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I do. Yet you include an apostle of God amongst the 'commentators'. Paul was not a 'commentator', he was chosen by Jesus to deliver the Gospel to the Gentiles.
If God really does protect all scripture, why is there written a warning not to change it?
Please answer me how a poor novice in a poor country is able to get to know Jehovah?
I'm sorry to make an assumption that you do not believe in the resurrected Jesus. I have to believe it. A person is their intelligence. No?
The intelligence of Jesus is better than searching scripture for meaning. Isn't it?
The intelligence of Jesus is better than searching scripture for meaning. Isn't it?
Redemptionsong
Well-Known Member
It's not a question of whether the scriptures are worthless. It's a question of whether we are able to read a reliable and trustworthy source of information.
If you don't believe it's a reliable source of information, how can you be so sure that your faith is founded on the truth?
Redemptionsong
Well-Known Member
A warning of punishment acts as a deterrent.
The truth is the one called Jesus. What does it mean? YHVH saves. Hebrews 8:11
Tell me please how the writer of Genesis knew anything. It is the same way now. Isn't it?
To righteous people, usually.
Romans 3:10
Actually, it is not possible for those two that people believe are TRUE to both be true.
Romans 3:10 can't be true if it is true that God made all the writers, the copyists and the translators perfect while they worked on the Bible.
Romans 3:10 can't be true if it is true that God made all the writers, the copyists and the translators perfect while they worked on the Bible.
Redemptionsong
Well-Known Member
Here's a verse worth remembering,
The Scriptures and the Word
Bear one tremendous name,
The living and the Written Word
In all things are the same.
(Joseph Hart)
That is false. John 8:43-45
So, I shall ask you again. How did people obey God BEFORE those words that to you equal Christ?
Also, if what you say is true then God leaves people who have no Bible, mental ability, or training, to fend for themselves.
blue taylor
Active Member
Besides himself, who in Acts refers to Paul as an apostle?
The only person to say Paul is an apostle of Jesus Christ in the entire New Testament is Paul himself.
Redemptionsong
Well-Known Member
Clearly, before the written word there was only the living, spoken, Word. When God deemed it necessary, the living Word took a lasting form as scripture.
This does not undermine the truth of the correspondence between living and written words.
Redemptionsong
Well-Known Member
Not true. Jesus sent out apostles and disciples from the very beginning. But the scriptures confirm what is taught through the Holy Spirit.
Redemptionsong
Well-Known Member
Not true. Read Acts 9:15. Ananias is told by the Lord that Paul is 'to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:' This is what an apostle does. This is what Paul did.
Paul is also told that he is to be an apostle by Jesus. This is what is revealed in Acts 23:11; 'thou hast testified of me in Jerusalem, so must thou bear witness also at Rome.'
Peter also tells his readers that Paul is to be listened to. 2 Peter 3:15,16. 'And account that the long-suffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things: in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.'
blue taylor
Active Member
Ananias does not say Paul was an apostle. Neither does Peter say he was an Apostle. Neither did the Lord say Paul was an apostle. The word "apostle" is not in these verses, and for a very good reason. 2nd Peter wasn't written until after 100CE and thus could not have been written by Peter.
What is a disciple MISSES one which, according to reality, is perfectly possible?