Scriptures confirm OR DENY what is taught by The Holy Spirit. I agree.
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Was Paul worthy to be an Apostle?
- Thread starter djhwoodwerks
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What I mean
Is the Holy Spirit can affirm or deny what is writtenthe word of god is alive
Hebrews 4:12
Can you see that you are switching their places? According to what you actually say, the writtings come first and The Holy Spirit is second. I think you might agree with me, that is wrong.
What? I see people using scripture to confirm the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit needs no confirming. Why not reconsider your method? Oh, Satan. I do not believe in him and I wonder why some people do.
Redemptionsong
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Whether the word 'apostle' is used, or not, makes no difference!
It is clear from the context that Paul was called by God to perform a task - which he fulfilled obediently.
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Redemptionsong
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Come clean, blue taylor. You've thrown out Paul, Luke and Peter. Don't tell me you believe in Jesus!
Redemptionsong
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It's not complicated. The Holy Spirit is confirmed by the scripture and the scripture is confirmed by the Holy Spirit. It makes no difference that the Spirit existed before the written word.
But there are deceiving spirits, and scripture tells us that Satan is real.
It is a manifestation of the Holy Spirit to discern between spirits.
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Exactly, good job !
djhwoodwerks
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Ahh, this must be why the GB teaches so much against higher education and want their members to be window washers and grass cutters.
*** w89 9/15 p. 23 par. 13 Be Obedient to Those Taking the Lead ***
13 In the world, there is a tendency to reject leadership. As one lecturer said: “The rising education level has improved the talent pool such that followers have become so critical that they are almost impossible to lead.” But a spirit of independent thinking does not prevail in God’s organization, and we have sound reasons for confidence in the men taking the lead among us. For instance, only those meeting Scriptural requirements are appointed as elders. (1 Timothy 3:1-7)
To "improve" is to make better, correct? Which means that the GB doesn't want their followers to "IMPROVE".
djhwoodwerks
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But that doesn't necessarily work, does it?
How many modern "religions" have re-written the Bible to say what they want it to say?
djhwoodwerks
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Peter was neither a disciple or an apostle of Jesus. But He used him too.
Act 5:27-29 (ESVST) 27 And when they had brought them, they set them before the council. And the high priest questioned them, 28 saying, "We strictly charged you not to teach in this name, yet here you have filled Jerusalem with your teaching, and you intend to bring this man's blood upon us." 29 But Peter and the apostles answered, "We must obey God rather than men.
Mar 16:7 (ESVST) 7 But go, tell his disciples and Peter that he is going before you to Galilee. There you will see him, just as he told you."
Redemptionsong
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I agree that it is important to highlight error; but not all error is intentional. Much has come about as the result of paraphrasing the Bible and translating it in a way that appeals to lay readership.
At least we have the Masoretic text of the Hebrew Bible and the Received Greek Text of the New Testament to refer back to.
I think it fair to say that the early Christian Greek Church members were faithful custodians of the sacred New Testament scriptures in the same way that the Hebrew scholars were the faithful custodians of the sacred Old Testament Scriptures.
blue taylor
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There is much more info about Jesus, than that contained in the NT, if you look for it.
blue taylor
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He was only an apostle in his own mind. He was one of the ones Jesus warned about that would come in his name.
"And he said, Take heed that ye be not led astray: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am he ; and, The time is at hand: go ye not after them."
blue taylor
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There were also many early Christians using texts other than the ones that are contained in the NT. Marcion's church rivaled the CC church until all other non-orthodox churches were outlawed when the orthodox church was named the state religion. All non-orthodox churches were persecuted and ran out of the Roman empire, and their sacred texts were destroyed. Augustine Of Hippo was a Manichean before the Manichean church was ran out of Rome. By the way, do you have a list of those "received Greek texts"?
Redemptionsong
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Yup. There's a lot in the Old Testament!
Redemptionsong
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Where, exactly, did Paul say 'I am he'?
Redemptionsong
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Do you want them all listed?!
There are now in existence 5366 Greek manuscripts, including 170 papyrus fragments (2nd-7th century), 212 Uncial (capital letter) copies (4th-10th century), 2,492 miniscules (small letter) copies (9th-16 century) and 1,678 Lectionary copies (service books). The overwhelming majority of these manuscripts agree so closely that they may be said to present the same Greek text, called by some the 'Byzantine Text', because it prevailed throughout the Church in the Byzantine period , AD 312-1453 (and long after).
Redemptionsong
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What you also failed to say about Augustine was that he renounced all his unorthodox beliefs, including his Manichean religion, when he was baptised as a Christian in 387 AD/CE. After moving back to Africa (Hippo) he formed a Christian Community that had access to the scriptures. In the 'City of God' he says, 'I myself have had a good deal to say on those subjects [Sin/Paradise] in previous books, basing my statements on holy Scripture; what I said there was either what I found stated in Scripture or what I could infer from scriptural statements, always keeping within conformity with the authority of the Bible.' (Bk XV ch.1)
This seems to demonstrate that Augustine had access to the Scriptures, and used them as his authority.
This seems to demonstrate that Augustine had access to the Scriptures, and used them as his authority.
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blue taylor
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Erasmus did not even have enough Greek texts to translate the whole NT so he used some of the Latin vulgate for the rest. Also many of the oldest most complete NT texts were not known in his day, such as Sinaiticus, and many other older texts discovered after his time.
"Erasmus had been studying Greek New Testament manuscripts for many years, in the Netherlands, France, England and Switzerland, noting their many variants, but had only six Greek manuscripts immediately accessible to him in Basel. They all dated from the 12th Century or later, and only one came from outside the mainstream Byzantine tradition. Consequently, most modern scholars consider his text to be of dubious quality." WIKI
"Erasmus used several Greek manuscript sources because he did not have access to a single complete manuscript. Most of the manuscripts were, however, late Greek manuscripts of the Byzantine textual family and Erasmus used the oldest manuscript the least because he was afraid of its supposedly erratic text. He also ignored much older and better manuscripts that were at his disposal. WIKI
And all the other sects of Christians that used other books not included in the NT? Why persecute them into extinction and destroy their books? It's called jealousy, and the quest for power, not God's wish. If it had not been for Nag Hammadi we would not have many of these ancient texts. Augustine only converted to save himself from being persecuted by the CC.
1 Corinthians 4:15New Living Translation (NLT)
"For even if you had ten thousand others to teach you about Christ, you have only one spiritual father. For I became your father in Christ Jesus when I preached the Good News to you."
Paul The Self Proclaimed
"Erasmus had been studying Greek New Testament manuscripts for many years, in the Netherlands, France, England and Switzerland, noting their many variants, but had only six Greek manuscripts immediately accessible to him in Basel. They all dated from the 12th Century or later, and only one came from outside the mainstream Byzantine tradition. Consequently, most modern scholars consider his text to be of dubious quality." WIKI
"Erasmus used several Greek manuscript sources because he did not have access to a single complete manuscript. Most of the manuscripts were, however, late Greek manuscripts of the Byzantine textual family and Erasmus used the oldest manuscript the least because he was afraid of its supposedly erratic text. He also ignored much older and better manuscripts that were at his disposal. WIKI
And all the other sects of Christians that used other books not included in the NT? Why persecute them into extinction and destroy their books? It's called jealousy, and the quest for power, not God's wish. If it had not been for Nag Hammadi we would not have many of these ancient texts. Augustine only converted to save himself from being persecuted by the CC.
1 Corinthians 4:15New Living Translation (NLT)
"For even if you had ten thousand others to teach you about Christ, you have only one spiritual father. For I became your father in Christ Jesus when I preached the Good News to you."
Paul The Self Proclaimed