Was the 2024 Election Rigged?

[Wandering Monk]

Trump was claiming that the election was being rigged weeks before it happened, especially when the polls started turning against him.

Well, he won. Was it rigged or not?

Contrast Biden/Harris after the loss: Trump refused to accept the 2020 election loss, called up the mob to Washington which then attacked the Capitol. He also refused to attend the inauguration of Biden. Harris has made no claim of election fraud or stolen election.

Harris conceded by the afternoon of the next day and promised a peaceful transition of power. She and Biden will be at Trump's inauguration, guaranteed.

Tell me again, who actually values democracy more, Trump or Harris?

 

[Shaul]

In 2020 Biden received a putative ~81,000,000 votes. This year Harris received only ~68,000,000. Yet there are more eligible voters now than in 2020. So what happened to the 13,000,000 voters that "disappeared"?

 

[UpperLimits]

If it was rigged I'd be firing the riggers. They did a pathetic job.

2020, OTOH, I'm still not too sure about. There was a lot of shadiness surrounding that election. And even after the inauguration TIME magazine came out with a massive article on how the election win had been the product of a multi faceted, well organized cabal.

Now, perhaps the Democrats did attempt such a "rigging" this time as well. Unfortunately they've done such a poor job of running the joint the past four years that I really don't think any amount of rigging could have saved them. They should have just saved face, foregone the election, and handed Donald the keys.....

 

[Wandering Monk]

If it was rigged I'd be firing the riggers. They did a pathetic job.

2020, OTOH, I'm still not too sure about. There was a lot of shadiness surrounding that election. And even after the inauguration TIME magazine came out with a massive article on how the election win had been the product of a multi faceted, well organized cabal.

Now, perhaps the Democrats did attempt such a "rigging" this time as well. Unfortunately they've done such a poor job of running the joint the past four years that I really don't think any amount of rigging could have saved them. They should have just saved face, foregone the election, and handed Donald the keys.....

Are you aware that in 2020 the Trump campaign hired two firms to find election fraud? Berkely Research Group and Simpatico Software Systems were hired for 1.3 million dollars. They found no outcome determinative fraud that would have changed the election results.

Also, the Arizona Republican Party hired the Cyber Ninjas to find election fraud there. Same result.

In testimony before the Jan 6 Committee, Trump's former Attorney General, Bill Barr testified that he told Trump that his allegations of election fraud were BS.

 

[UpperLimits]

Are you aware that in 2020 the Trump campaign hired two firms to find election fraud? Berkely Research Group and Simpatico Software Systems were hired for 1.3 million dollars. They found no outcome determinative fraud that would have changed the election results.

Also, the Arizona Republican Party hired the Cyber Ninjas to find election fraud there. Same result.

I'm aware. There were some pretty elaborate stories that came out at the time as well.

 

[Wandering Monk]

I'm aware. There were some pretty elaborate stories that came out at the time as well.

Anecdotes are not admissible evidence in court as Trump's attorney discovered.

Giuliani admits his election fraud "evidence" came from social media

Giuliani also admitted he never fact checked any of the claims — that would have made him a "terrible lawyer"

www.salon.com

 

[F1fan]

In 2020 Biden received a putative ~81,000,000 votes. This year Harris received only ~68,000,000. Yet there are more eligible voters now than in 2020. So what happened to the 13,000,000 voters that "disappeared"?

And trump got 74 million in 2020, but only 72 million this year, so where did those 2 million go?

There were 15 million fewer voters. Trump's followers definately took the election more seriously than democrats.

 

[Shaul]

And trump got 74 million in 2020, but only 72 million this year, so where did those 2 million go?

There were 15 million fewer voters. Trump's followers definately took the election more seriously than democrats.

Not quite. Trump has received ~73,300,000 votes this year so far, not 72 million. Which is close to what he received in 2020. Also the final numbers aren't in yet because some states are still counting. (Mostly Blue states, go figure.) So his total will probably be within a million votes, or just over 1 percent difference. Meanwhile the Democrat candidate total has changed by 13,000,000, a whopping almost 20% difference! In other words the change for the Democrats is almost 20 times the change for Trump.

 

[F1fan]

Not quite. Trump has received ~73,300,000 votes this year so far, not 72 million. Which is close to what he received in 2020. Also the final numbers aren't in yet because some states are still counting. (Mostly Blue states, go figure.) So his total will probably be within a million votes, or just over 1 percent difference. Meanwhile the Democrat candidate total has changed by 13,000,000, a whopping almost 20% difference! In other words the change for the Democrats is almost 20 times the change for Trump.

Fair enough. I'm still astounded that democrats were a no show. It's unacceptable to my mind. If they voted in the same numebrs as Biden in 2020 the election would have a different outcome.

 

[Argentbear]

Yes Trump and his lackeys rigged the election. I have no evidence to back that up but that didn't stop anyone from claiming the 2020 election was rigged

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Fair enough. I'm still astounded that democrats were a no show. It's unacceptable to my mind. If they voted in the same numebrs as Biden in 2020 the election would have a different outcome.

Didn't a lot of states get rid of mail-in? I think that's the biggest reason.

 

[Shaul]

Didn't a lot of states get rid of mail-in? I think that's the biggest reason.

I don't know if that is true. I am not aware of any state that got rid of mail in voting for 2024. And why would that make the difference for the Democratic turnout but not the Republican turnout?

 

[The Hammer]

In 2020 Biden received a putative ~81,000,000 votes. This year Harris received only ~68,000,000. Yet there are more eligible voters now than in 2020. So what happened to the 13,000,000 voters that "disappeared"?

Apathy.

 

[Shaul]

Apathy.

I don't think that explains it. In 2016 the Democrats received ~66 millions votes, then in 2020 they got ~81 million votes, then in 2024 they went back to ~68 million votes. In other words in 2020, and 2020 only, the Democrats were soooooo enthused with Joe Biden that they increased they votes by 13 million votes, but they were apathetic over Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris. I don't think apathy explains it at all.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

I don't know if that is true. I am not aware of any state that got rid of mail in voting for 2024. And why would that make the difference for the Democratic turnout but not the Republican turnout?

It's just speculation. I guess the law that changed wasn't that mail-in was forbidden, but that mail-ins that came in after Election Day were to not be counted even if postmarked on time. That could be part of the bite. I've also read that Mail-In didn't have to be applied for due to COVID in 2020, but not this election.

I could see it having little affect on Republican turnout because many Republicans seemed to be against it to begin with.

Other things I can think of: The COVID scare could've influenced more people to vote, maybe the Democrats were simply less favorable of Kamala than they were Biden in 2020 but didn't want to vote for Trump.
I'm really not sure. What's your theory?

 

[The Hammer]

I don't think that explains it. In 2016 the Democrats received ~66 millions votes, then in 2020 they got ~81 million votes, then in 2024 they went back to ~68 million votes. In other words in 2020, and 2020 only, the Democrats were soooooo enthused with Joe Biden that they increased they votes by 13 million votes, but they were apathetic over Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris. I don't think apathy explains it at all.

I think it explains it perfectly.

People were motivated and had enough zeal to get out and vote to get Trump out of office after his ****ty first term.

But after 4 more years of the same old same, denigrating rhetoric.

People didn't care enough to vote for another Democratic candidate, especially one shoe-horned in at the last minute.

Couple that with how prices got exacerbated after the pandemic due to a variety of factors.
Plus a new as age demographic being raised in this language of filth (think 8th/9th graders), thus becoming numb to and normalizing it.

Yeah. There's a lot to unpack. But apathy played a big part.

 

[Heyo]

Trump was claiming that the election was being rigged weeks before it happened, especially when the polls started turning against him.

Well, he won. Was it rigged or not?

It must have been. I don't know how they did it, but there is no way a majority of voters can be stupid enough to vote for Trump.
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