Was There *Two* Women Created in the Garden of Eden?

[Yokefellow]

Ribs translated as 'Leaves'...

1 Kings 6:34 - "And the two doors were of fir tree: the two leaves of the one door were folding, and the two leaves of the other door were folding."

Strong's Hebrew: 6763. צְלָעֹת (tsela) -- Rib, side, chamber

The couple tried to cover themselves with 'leaves'...

Genesis 3:7 - "And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons."

Why leaves? They represent a Genome Sequence that creates a 'Covering'. They tried to make a Body. They were clothed with skin and flesh...

Job 10:11 - "Thou hast clothed me with skin and flesh, and hast fenced me with bones and sinews."

'Leaves' are also, medicine...

Ezekiel 47:12 - "And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine."

Healing IMMORTAL Leaves. Healing IMMORTAL Genome Sequence. Get it?

The 'Fruit' is produced each month. Hello? Menstrual Cycle? Tree of Life Ovary? Do you see it?

The 'Waters' are symbolic of Seminal Fluid that 'fertilizes' the Tree.

 

[Yokefellow]

2 Peter 3:8–9 reads:
'But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.'

Indeed. Look at the context of the 'thousand years like a day' for the subtle meaning behind it...

2 Peter 3:6 - "Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:"

It is referring to the Flood of Noah. In other words, for each 'day' that Noah was inside the Ark, a thousand years passed on Earth.

Look again...

Psalms 90:3-5 - "Thou turnest man to destruction; and sayest, Return, ye children of men. For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night. Thou carriest them away as with a flood; they are as a sleep: in the morning they are like grass which groweth up."

Therefore, if Noah was in the Ark for say 360 days, that means 360,000 years passed on the Earth.

When did the first modern humans appear? 360,000 years ago?

The oldest known evidence for anatomically modern humans (as of 2017) are fossils found at Jebel Irhoud, Morocco, dated about 360,000 years old.

List of first human settlements - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Class dismissed.

 

[Yokefellow]

I believe that Jesus came for those like Cain.

The Beast of Revelation is symbolic of Cain. Each 'head' represents the Male Phallus.

Pro Tip!: Mountains = Phallus

When the Harlot 'sits' on said Phallus, she is procreating with it. Each time she does this, a new Antichrist is born...

Each head also represents a reincarnation of Cain/Satan into human form.

Seven main reincarnations. The eighth is a resurrection done by Man and the Ten Kings...

Son of Perdition is literal.

We are born from Hell/Gehenna...

Matthew 23:15 - "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves."

Gehenna = Reincarnation.

 

[Yokefellow]

You can also look at it from Adam’s perspective. When God tells Eve she must go through the pains of childbirth Adam is aware she will become a mother to his children.

We also call Adam the first prophet, because when he says Eve becomes “mother to all the living”, this could also be foretelling the flood story.

Hi @GoodAttention .

I have a theory...

I believe that the Woman, before she partook of the Forbidden Fruit, was somehow told that she would be given a womb if she ate it.

She really loved the idea of giving childbirth through a yet to be invented uterus.

I think she knew and was tempted by that.

 

[Yokefellow]

Pro Tip!: Mountains = Phallus

Mountains in the Bible are symbolic of the Male Generative Principle.

The 'Mountain of God' is the Phallus that is 'penetrating' the Garden of Eden... aka the Womb...

Ezekiel 28:14 - "Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire."

Seminal Fluid proceeds from God's Phallus to 'fertilize' the Trees...

Genesis 2:10 - "And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads."

Four Heads = Adenine, Guanine, Thymine, Cytosine. In other words, Rivers = Sperm.

Sound crazy?

Look...

His grandson Enki, chosen to represent the younger gods, puts a spell on Abzu "casting him into a deep sleep", thereby confining him deep underground. Enki subsequently sets up his home "in the depths of the Abzu." Enki thus takes on all of the functions of the Abzu, including his fertilising powers as lord of the waters and lord of semen.

Lord of Semen? Deep sleep? Say what?

Look...

On the Adda Seal, Enki is depicted with two streams of water flowing into each of his shoulders: one the Tigris, the other the Euphrates.

The Tigris and Euphrates represent Seminal Fluid. Hmmm...

Genesis 2:14 (New International Version) - "The name of the third river is the Tigris; it runs along the east side of Ashur. And the fourth river is the Euphrates."

Class dismissed again.

 

[teage]

You are the only one I know of that really pushes the envelope on these concepts. Very insightful as usual.

I view the prelapsarian world as 'ethereal' and spirit like, i.e., not yet physical. Thus, the first created beings (First Adam and Ishshah) were Spirit and Soul only (no Body). Since I believe that the Bible teaches that a Soul is a living organism's Genome Sequence, this would make the First Adam a 'Living Soul'...

Genesis 2:7 - "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

The 'dust of the ground' is symbolic of Nitrogen Bases (the Stone with Seven Eyes). Spirit is Electromagnetism/Energy/Consciousness.

Thus, the LORD God formed a Genome Sequence (i.e., Soul) and breathed Adam's pre-existing consciousness (i.e., Spirit) into it. Note that Adam and everyone else existed before the Garden of Eden was created. Our Spirits are placed into a Genome first, then a physical Body second.

And so, to expand on your comment, the first human was a special 'Living Genome Sequence' that could have contained both masculine and feminine 'DNA code' in a single ethereal being. Perhaps this is what Angels are like.

I do not believe this being had reproductive organs as that would contradict the need for a Tree of Life. No aging = no babies. How can an immortal fetus grow old in the womb if there was no death and aging? See the problem? Even the act of procreation involves the death of cells and other things.

• Naked = No Body
• Shame = Reproductive Organs

The first created beings were naked and had no shame. I believe it is euphemism.

The purpose of the Tree of Life and the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil were to choose which Body to incarnate (i.e., be conceived) into...

• Tree of Life = Immortal Body
• Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil = Mortal Body

Now, the Rib is something special and interesting. It is symbolic of a specific nationality or 'race' of people. Think of the three Ribs in the bear's mouth...

Daniel 7:5 - "And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh."

"The three ribs have been understood from the time of St. Hippolytus to mean three nations: the Babylonians, the Lydians, and the Egyptians."

Daniel 7:5 Commentaries: "And behold, another beast, a second one, resembling a bear. And it was raised up on one side, and three ribs were in its mouth between its teeth; and thus they said to it, 'Arise, devour much meat!'

In the Book of Revelation, we have the Throne/Heart surrounded by Twenty-Four Ribs/Elders...

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The Elders symbolically represent Ribs and perhaps pairs of tribes (again race/nationally/ethnicity).

Could Ribs represent Chromosomes? Is the Book of Revelation alluding to a 24 pair (48 Chromosome) being of some sort?

We have 23 pairs. One pair is missing or fused or whatever. Could that missing/fused Chromosome be the 'Rib' that the Woman was made from? Was it a special Female Chromosome that was taken out of the First Adam?

Interestingly, some primates have 24 Chromosomes. Think of the implications of that!

God created mankind on the 6th day. All the kinds of mankind. Just as he did the birds, red birds, blue birds etc. Adamn and Eve didn't get created till after. We can look at Cain for more proof, Cain was worried PPL would hunt him down for what he did, WHAT ppl?
If it were just Adam and Eve, then where did all the other races of mankind come from? Would we not be just one color of humans?

 

[teage]

You are the only one I know of that really pushes the envelope on these concepts. Very insightful as usual.

I view the prelapsarian world as 'ethereal' and spirit like, i.e., not yet physical. Thus, the first created beings (First Adam and Ishshah) were Spirit and Soul only (no Body). Since I believe that the Bible teaches that a Soul is a living organism's Genome Sequence, this would make the First Adam a 'Living Soul'...

Genesis 2:7 - "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

The 'dust of the ground' is symbolic of Nitrogen Bases (the Stone with Seven Eyes). Spirit is Electromagnetism/Energy/Consciousness.

Thus, the LORD God formed a Genome Sequence (i.e., Soul) and breathed Adam's pre-existing consciousness (i.e., Spirit) into it. Note that Adam and everyone else existed before the Garden of Eden was created. Our Spirits are placed into a Genome first, then a physical Body second.

And so, to expand on your comment, the first human was a special 'Living Genome Sequence' that could have contained both masculine and feminine 'DNA code' in a single ethereal being. Perhaps this is what Angels are like.

I do not believe this being had reproductive organs as that would contradict the need for a Tree of Life. No aging = no babies. How can an immortal fetus grow old in the womb if there was no death and aging? See the problem? Even the act of procreation involves the death of cells and other things.

• Naked = No Body
• Shame = Reproductive Organs

The first created beings were naked and had no shame. I believe it is euphemism.

The purpose of the Tree of Life and the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil were to choose which Body to incarnate (i.e., be conceived) into...

• Tree of Life = Immortal Body
• Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil = Mortal Body

Now, the Rib is something special and interesting. It is symbolic of a specific nationality or 'race' of people. Think of the three Ribs in the bear's mouth...

Daniel 7:5 - "And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh."

"The three ribs have been understood from the time of St. Hippolytus to mean three nations: the Babylonians, the Lydians, and the Egyptians."

Daniel 7:5 Commentaries: "And behold, another beast, a second one, resembling a bear. And it was raised up on one side, and three ribs were in its mouth between its teeth; and thus they said to it, 'Arise, devour much meat!'

In the Book of Revelation, we have the Throne/Heart surrounded by Twenty-Four Ribs/Elders...

View attachment 98793​

The Elders symbolically represent Ribs and perhaps pairs of tribes (again race/nationally/ethnicity).

Could Ribs represent Chromosomes? Is the Book of Revelation alluding to a 24 pair (48 Chromosome) being of some sort?

We have 23 pairs. One pair is missing or fused or whatever. Could that missing/fused Chromosome be the 'Rib' that the Woman was made from? Was it a special Female Chromosome that was taken out of the First Adam?

Interestingly, some primates have 24 Chromosomes. Think of the implications of that!

God created mankind on the 6th day. All the kinds of mankind. Just as he did the birds, red birds, blue birds etc. Adamn and Eve didn't get created till after. We can look at Cain for more proof, Cain was worried PPL would hunt him down for what he did, WHAT ppl?
If it were just Adam and Eve, then where did all the other races of mankind come from? Would we not be just one color of humans?

 

[Yokefellow]

WHAT ppl?

A common teaching is that Adam and Eve had many children that were not mentioned. In other words, we are looking at incest here. Same with Noah and the others in the Ark having to repopulate the earth. Look around. Humans are terribly inbred. It is what it is.

 

[GoodAttention]

A common teaching is that Adam and Eve had many children that were not mentioned. In other words, we are looking at incest here. Same with Noah and the others in the Ark having to repopulate the earth. Look around. Humans are terribly inbred. It is what it is.

Why go by what isn't mentioned instead of what is mentioned?

Noah's children already had children who then have children, but this is through coupling of cousins rather than siblings.

Even today first-cousin relations and avunculate marriages are permitted in many places, but incest between parent and child or siblings is outlawed.

 

[teage]

A common teaching is that Adam and Eve had many children that were not mentioned. In other words, we are looking at incest here. Same with Noah and the others in the Ark having to repopulate the earth. Look around. Humans are terribly inbred. It is what it is.

I have heard this. I'm not able to find any credible sources though, I only come up with wild stories and myths.Like "Lilith" lol

 

[teage]

A common teaching is that Adam and Eve had many children that were not mentioned. In other words, we are looking at incest here. Same with Noah and the others in the Ark having to repopulate the earth. Look around. Humans are terribly inbred. It is what it is.

Ok the bible does in fact mention more children, however they are after Seth. So still no one around when Cain killed Able, except the humans there created in the 6th day.

Genesis 5:4 (ESV) The days of Adam after he fathered Seth were 800 years; and he had other sons and daughters.

 

[Muffled]

Was there actually *two* women created in the Garden of Eden instead of one? The answer may surprise you. We will now go over the supporting evidence.

Babies Named After Birth Circumstances

The Bible contains many stories of babies receiving their names based on circumstances surrounding their birth. For example, I-chabod means ‘without glory’. He was given this name because the Ark of the Covenant was just stolen…

1 Samuel 4:21 – “And she named the child I–chabod, saying, The glory is departed from Israel: because the ark of God was taken, and because of her father in law and her husband.”

Jacob is another famous example. His name was based on how Jacob grabbed his brother’s heel during birth…

Genesis 25:26 – “And after that came his brother out, and his hand took hold on Esau’s heel; and his name was called Jacob: and Isaac was threescore years old when she bare them.”

Even Jacob’s brother, Esau, was named based on his birth…

Genesis 25:25 – “And the first came out red, all over like an hairy garment; and they called his name Esau.”

There are many more examples. Clearly, naming babies after the way in which they came into this world is a major theme in Scripture. This pattern has its beginnings in Genesis with the creation of the first woman.

The Naming of Ishshah

Now that we have a basic understanding of how names reflect birth, we can see that the first woman ever created was also given a name based on how she came into this world…

Genesis 2:23 – “And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.”

Man is ‘Ish’. Woman is ‘Ishshah’. Ishshah was taken out of Ish, thus her name reflects that fact.

Do you see the name ‘Eve’ anywhere in the verse? No. The name Eve does not appear until much later in the Creation Account. This is because Ishshah and Eve are two different beings! Again, the way in which Ishshah was named clearly teaches us that she is different than Eve.

The Naming of Eve

In chapter three of Genesis, we come across another created woman who just arrived into the world…

Genesis 3:20 – “And Adam called his wife’s name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.”

Eve was created not from a rib, but from a different process having to do with the Forbidden Fruit. This process involved adding reproductive organs, something that Ishshah did not have. Thus, since Eve was created with a womb, her name reflects that fact.

To summarize, basic exegesis clearly teaches us that Ishshah and Eve were two different people. There is much more evidence of this if one studies this out further.

Or it is thesamepeerson with two names. That happens often enough.

 

[Muffled]

Cain and Abel, mankind from the perspective of Adam and Eve as mankind already existed before Adam and Eve. And just who is Lilith?, some say she is Adams first wife, when looking at the translation i can see why. lol

Again Lilith can simply be another name for Eve.

 

[Muffled]

By addition or subtraction? At least one expert -- defined as someone who knows qualitatively more than you and I put together -- presents a very cogent argument that Genesis 2:21 speaks of Eve created from Adam's penis bone. So humankind gained a mother and mankind was left to rely on hydraulics. I guess the Yoke's on you ...

That appears to be a stretch to me.

 

[wellwisher]

Now that we have a basic understanding of how names reflect birth, we can see that the first woman ever created was also given a name based on how she came into this world…

Genesis 2:23 – “And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.”

Man is ‘Ish’. Woman is ‘Ishshah’. Ishshah was taken out of Ish, thus her name reflects that fact.

Do you see the name ‘Eve’ anywhere in the verse? No. The name Eve does not appear until much later in the Creation Account. This is because Ishshah and Eve are two different beings! Again, the way in which Ishshah was named clearly teaches us that she is different than Eve.

The Naming of Eve

In chapter three of Genesis, we come across another created woman who just arrived into the world…

Genesis 3:20 – “And Adam called his wife’s name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.”

Eve was created not from a rib, but from a different process having to do with the Forbidden Fruit. This process involved adding reproductive organs, something that Ishshah did not have. Thus, since Eve was created with a womb, her name reflects that fact.

To summarize, basic exegesis clearly teaches us that Ishshah and Eve were two different people. There is much more evidence of this if one studies this out further.

There is the case of Jacob, who was also called Israel, He was the same person with two names.

Genesis 32: So Jacob was left alone, and a man wrestled with him till daybreak. 25 When the man saw that he could not overpower him, he touched the socket of Jacob’s hip so that his hip was wrenched as he wrestled with the man. 26 Then the man said, “Let me go, for it is daybreak.”

But Jacob replied, “I will not let you go unless you bless me.”

27 The man asked him, “What is your name?”

“Jacob,” he answered.

28 Then the man said, “Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel,[f] because you have struggled with God and with humans and have overcome.”

Eve was innocent before the fall and then this changed after the fall, with her name changed to reflect the difference. Her loyalty shifted from God and tree of life; instinct, to Satan and the tree of knowledge of good and evil; law.

 

[teage]

There is the case of Jacob, who was also called Israel, He was the same person with two names.



Eve was innocent before the fall and then this changed after the fall, with her name changed to reflect the difference. Her loyalty shifted from God and tree of life; instinct, to Satan and the tree of knowledge of good and evil; law.

If the tree of good and evil is bad, then we should be stripped of it's effects in Revelation, yet we are not.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

That appears to be a stretch to me.

That's precious.You think an Iron Age etiological tale is a stretch but a resurrection with folks crawling out of their graves in Jerusalem is believable.

 

[Muffled]

That's precious.You think an Iron Age etiological tale is a stretch but a resurrection with folks crawling out of their graves in Jerusalem is believable.

I believe the Word of God is far superior to myth or history.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I believe the Word of God is far superior to myth or history.

As would I. In fact, it's a pretty underwhelming decision.

No so with your preposterous claim that your Bible is the literal word of God.