Was this action justified?

[lilithu]

I wasn't aware that there was a religious motivation behind that slaying which made it righteous in the perpetrator's eye.

So... just so long as there's no overt religious motivation that makes it ok?

And conversely, as soon as there is a stated religious motivation that automatically makes it worse than a non-religiously motivated act of violence?

Why?

 

[Luminous]

Linda777:
How can you a mere mortal expect to understand the infinite mind of God?
I’m pretty sure this sentence goes for you as well.
Can you make a sun? How about speaking worlds into existence? Can you raise the dead?
Can you write a book? How about writing a lie? Won’t eventually somebody believe it?
Of course not.
Of course.
God is perfect and does what he does according to his own mind.
People are imperfect, and do as they do according to their own mind.
You cannot understand him.
You do not know IT.
Can't you ask a question just one instead of all the accusations against God?
There are no accusations against God. There are only accusations upon people’s believes.
Justification and righteousness come from the same Greek word. God is justified in all he does simply because he is God.
God has yet to prove/show that IT has done anything. You have no idea what IT has done. Anyway, in the end there is no measure for justification but a person’s believes.
Can you tell me if those people he utterly destroyed were not vampires? Give me proof they were not.
Give me prove that God utterly destroyed anything. Why create imperfections? How can something perfect be imperfect enough to create something imperfect by accident?
With all we see in the world and its history, how do you know they were not vile and evil creatures who had to be destroyed for the good of mankind?
The world and its history neither go against God nor prove you right.
Also realize that nature which God created also destroys.
Why create something to be destroyed or punished for eternity?
God is love and I think it is quite obvious.
Love is an abstract drug addiction. It is a reaction of chemicals within the brain in response to stimuli.
In the words of a Muslim friend: God is not love, God is God.

 

[zenzero]

Friends,
Is it justified that this existence exists where we have days and nights, good and bad, war and peace and all its dualities?
If I can dream the butterfly may be the butterfly can dream about me!
No doubt all seers sees it all as illusions BUT still doubters will remain, as they are part of the WHOLE.
Love & rgds

 

[.lava]

Linda777:
How can you a mere mortal expect to understand the infinite mind of God?
I’m pretty sure this sentence goes for you as well.
Can you make a sun? How about speaking worlds into existence? Can you raise the dead?
Can you write a book? How about writing a lie? Won’t eventually somebody believe it?
Of course not.
Of course.
God is perfect and does what he does according to his own mind.
People are imperfect, and do as they do according to their own mind.
You cannot understand him.
You do not know IT.
Can't you ask a question just one instead of all the accusations against God?
There are no accusations against God. There are only accusations upon people’s believes.
Justification and righteousness come from the same Greek word. God is justified in all he does simply because he is God.
God has yet to prove/show that IT has done anything. You have no idea what IT has done. Anyway, in the end there is no measure for justification but a person’s believes.
Can you tell me if those people he utterly destroyed were not vampires? Give me proof they were not.
Give me prove that God utterly destroyed anything. Why create imperfections? How can something perfect be imperfect enough to create something imperfect by accident?
With all we see in the world and its history, how do you know they were not vile and evil creatures who had to be destroyed for the good of mankind?
The world and its history neither go against God nor prove you right.
Also realize that nature which God created also destroys.
Why create something to be destroyed or punished for eternity?
God is love and I think it is quite obvious.
Love is an abstract drug addiction. It is a reaction of chemicals within the brain in response to stimuli.
In the words of a Muslim friend: God is not love, God is God.

so, Linda777 was talking to herself? that would be very interesting inner speech with self.

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[kiwimac]

No, it was not acceptable and had little to do with Islam. It had a great deal to do with power and the hunger for power and the willingness to frighten people into submission.

 

[.lava]

had little to do with Islam.

how so?

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[Father Heathen]

So... just so long as there's no overt religious motivation that makes it ok?

And conversely, as soon as there is a stated religious motivation that automatically makes it worse than a non-religiously motivated act of violence?

Why?

lol, wow. It has absolutely nothing to do either being ok or worse. This is religiousforums.com, so I wanted to ask a question regarding the news story relevant to religion. Those who murdered the child because she "committed adultry" by getting raped did so due to their religious beliefs, and I just wanted a little insight from those who share their faith. If it's un-Islamic surely there would be a very vocal condemnation and backlash from their brothers and sisters in the Muslim world.

 

[Truth_Faith13]

I know this is the DIR Islam forum, but I would like to know how this can be adultery when she was 13? Was she actually married or does the Islam faith consider sex outside of marriage adultery to the future husband?

 

[lilithu]

lol, wow. It has absolutely nothing to do either being ok or worse. This is religiousforums.com, so I wanted to ask a question regarding the news story relevant to religion. Those who murdered the child because she "committed adultry" by getting raped did so due to their religious beliefs, and I just wanted a little insight from those who share their faith. If it's un-Islamic surely there would be a very vocal condemnation and backlash from their brothers and sisters in the Muslim world.

So... you are saying that in all the time you've spent on RF, interacting with the Muslims here, you truly did not know what the responses from them would be when you posed the question in the OP.

Is there some significance to your italicizing the word religion twice? Strange that discussion need not be limited to religion on RF unless it's something negative.

 

[Father Heathen]

So... you are saying that in all the time you've spent on RF, interacting with the Muslims here, you truly did not know what the responses from them would be when you posed the question in the OP.

Is there some significance to your italicizing the word religion twice? Strange that discussion need not be limited to religion on RF unless it's something negative.

Some Muslims here would obviously condemn it, but I've seen some other Muslims here defend some rather despicable things. Obviously some Muslims somewhere had to believe it was righteous and justified, or it wouldn't have happened. Also, this isn't a debate DIR.

 

[lilithu]

Some Muslims here would obviously condemn it, but I've seen some other Muslims here defend some rather despicable things. Obviously some Muslims somewhere had to believe it was righteous and justified, or it would've happened. Also, this isn't a debate DIR.

That's ironic.

 

[jamaesi]

Some Muslims here would obviously condemn it, but I've seen some other Muslims here defend some rather despicable things. Obviously some Muslims somewhere had to believe it was righteous and justified, or it would've happened. Also, this isn't a debate DIR.

I almost want to say that I take back what I said in my previous post, but yeah, I have heard some pretty disgusting things here.

*sighs*

 

[.lava]

Some Muslims here would obviously condemn it, but I've seen some other Muslims here defend some rather despicable things. Obviously some Muslims somewhere had to believe it was righteous and justified, or it would've happened. Also, this isn't a debate DIR.

there are Muslims who think that way and there are people who would actually enjoy that. we've seen rape victim girl got killed but rapist walked free. no normal human being could find any reasonable explanation for that. it is just weird and cruel. we treat animals more kind than how they treat humans. unfortunately this is how this world is. if we could ask them what source of information they use for that kind of stuff, they could never bring anything from Qur'an. there is not even one single verse is there about stoning people. so who rapes walk free because he is so innocent, even more innocent than 13 year old girl. he raped her because she was inviting or he did it because she exist...oh well well...no surprise if he rapes again. those men truly belong to hell. whoever supports them are not that different. they fool themselves and so sad they think they are fooling God as well.

that's not Islam.


16:58 And when a daughter is announced to one of them his face becomes black and he is full of wrath.

16:59 He hides himself from the people because of the evil of that which is announced to him. Shall he keep it with disgrace or bury it in the dust? Now surely evil is what they judge.

16:60 For those who do not believe in the hereafter is an evil attribute, and Allah's is the loftiest attribute; and He is the Mighty, the Wise.

it was tradition to kill girls before Islam. that tradition continues even though they are 'Muslims'.

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