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Watch A New Star Being Born

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Spectacular collision of suns will create new star in night sky in 2022
Spectacular collision of suns will create new star in night sky in 2022
At the beginning of the 3rd century civil war raged in Britain as the Roman emperor Septimius Severus sought to quell unrest in the north.
But unknown to the fighting cohorts and Caledonian tribes, high above their heads two stars were coming together in a huge cataclysmic explosion.
Now 1800 years later the light from that collision will finally arrive on Earth creating a new star in the night sky - dubbed the ‘Boom Star - in an incredibly rare event which is usually only spotted through telescopes.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Eh, I'm not convinced. All I see (or anyone has ever seen) are just dust of matter that are star clouds or star clusters.

And collisions or explosions do not create anything, science says explosions destroy things.
If 2 stars combine to become one, I say that one is a new one.
And explosions do create things, eg, supernovas create heavy elements & even black holes.
 

JakofHearts

2 Tim 1.7
If 2 stars combine to become one, I say that one is a new one.
And explosions do create things, eg, supernovas create heavy elements & even black holes.
Well sure, a supernova is basically just another word for a big 'explosion'. And no heavy elements were created because they were already there.

Black holes is a grey area in astronomy. No one as yet can really confirm how black holes are formed, we only have hypothesis' from observations that can be interpreted a number of ways.
 

Onyx

Active Member
Premium Member
Well sure, a supernova is basically just another word for a big 'explosion'. And no heavy elements were created because they were already there.
They are created through nuclear fusion during supernova events.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Well sure, a supernova is basically just another word for a big 'explosion'. And no heavy elements were created because they were already there.
"Supernova" is not just any big explosion. It's a phase in the life of a star above a certain mass.
But your comment about heavy elements already existing doesn't match what cosmologists day
about element formation during the star's life, & heavier ones during the supernova phase.
How are light and heavy elements formed? (Advanced) - Curious About Astronomy? Ask an Astronomer
Black holes is a grey area in astronomy. No one as yet can really confirm how black holes are formed, we only have hypothesis' from observations that can be interpreted a number of ways.
This too isn't my area of expertise, but here is a consensus based description....
HubbleSite - Reference Desk - FAQs
 

JakofHearts

2 Tim 1.7
"Supernova" is not just any big explosion. It's a phase in the life of a star above a certain mass.
But your comment about heavy elements already existing doesn't match what cosmologists day
about element formation during the star's life, & heavier ones during the supernova phase.
How are light and heavy elements formed? (Advanced) - Curious About Astronomy? Ask an Astronomer

This too isn't my area of expertise, but here is a consensus based description....
HubbleSite - Reference Desk - FAQs
Yeah well cosmologists say a lot of things. Cosmology is not real science in the sense of regular repeatable, testable science. It is about a one off event supposedly the big bang that we cannot repeat it or test -- so really cosmology falls out of the definition of real science. What we have are presuppositions of what may have happened and how this came to be etc.

Curiously, there have been no observable or testable instances of hydrogen 'evolving' into all the heavy elements in which can know of from the periodic table. It's a rather very fantastic claim.

And like I mentioned, all we have are interpretations of the observable things we see from ultimately presupposed positions. Alternatively, there are other interpretations that make much more sense to me than what the 'accepted' consensus is.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Yeah well cosmologists say a lot of things. Cosmology is not real science in the sense of regular repeatable, testable science. It is about a one off event supposedly the big bang that we cannot repeat it or test -- so really cosmology falls out of the definition of real science. What we have are presuppositions of what may have happened and how this came to be etc.

Curiously, there have been no observable or testable instances of hydrogen 'evolving' into all the heavy elements in which can know of from the periodic table. It's a rather very fantastic claim.

And like I mentioned, all we have are interpretations of the observable things we see from ultimately presupposed positions. Alternatively, there are other interpretations that make much more sense to me than what the 'accepted' consensus is.
Cosmology isn't science?
That's an interesting perspective.
 

JakofHearts

2 Tim 1.7
Cosmology isn't science?
That's an interesting perspective.
Well yeah. Cosmology is more of a romantic explanation of a presupposed position they have, but these notions cannot be verified through the scientific method. i.e. the "inflation event". It's more about the revelation than the investigation.

Just in case you missed my meaning... I'll reinitiate: Cosmology is not real science in the sense of regular repeatable, testable science. It is about a one off event supposedly the big bang that we cannot repeat it or test -- so really cosmology falls out of the definition of real science. What we have are presuppositions of what may have happened and how this came to be etc.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Well yeah. Cosmology is more of a romantic explanation of a presupposed position they have, but these notions cannot be verified through the scientific method. i.e. the "inflation event". It's more about the revelation than the investigation.

Just in case you missed my meaning... I'll reinitiate: Cosmology is not real science in the sense of regular repeatable, testable science. It is about a one off event supposedly the big bang that we cannot repeat it or test -- so really cosmology falls out of the definition of real science. What we have are presuppositions of what may have happened and how this came to be etc.
No, cosmology is not just about the big bang.
Ref....
Cosmology - Wikipedia
 

JakofHearts

2 Tim 1.7
No, cosmology is not just about the big bang.
Ref....
Cosmology - Wikipedia
Actually cosmology is all about the big bang. "The study of the origin, evolution, and the eventual fate of the universe."

Cosmology (from the Greek κόσμος, kosmos "world" and -λογία, -logia "study of") is the study of the origin, evolution, and eventual fate of the universe. Physical cosmology is the scholarly and scientific study of the origin, large-scale structures and dynamics, and ultimate fate of the universe, as well as the scientific laws that govern these realities.

Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy some cosmologists and their charismatic story-telling as the next person.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Actually cosmology is all about the big bang. "The study of the origin, evolution, and the eventual fate of the universe."

Cosmology (from the Greek κόσμος, kosmos "world" and -λογία, -logia "study of") is the study of the origin, evolution, and eventual fate of the universe. Physical cosmology is the scholarly and scientific study of the origin, large-scale structures and dynamics, and ultimate fate of the universe, as well as the scientific laws that govern these realities.

Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy some cosmologists and their charismatic story-telling as the next person.
We'll have to agree to disagree.....about everything, it seems.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
We'll have to agree to disagree.....about everything, it seems.
Ah, c'mon, don't drop the curtain so soon. We haven't seen posts like those of JakofHearts in a long time. Even though Christians may sometimes be a bit short on science knowledge, this doesn't stop them from being entertaining.


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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Ah, c'mon, don't drop the curtain so soon. We haven't seen posts like those of JakofHearts in a long time. Even though Christians may sometimes be a bit short on science knowledge, this doesn't stop them from being entertaining.
The most ironic thing is to claim cosmology isn't a science in a
thread devoted to testing a prediction of a cosmological theory.
Can't get any more sciencie than that!
 
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