Watchmaker or Designer

[savagewind]

Some folks actually are superior, in one way or another. KT is particularly good at thinking compared to the norm. It would be dishonest of him to pretend otherwise.

I second this

 

[InformedIgnorance]

“Raise YOUR eyes high up and see.

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“The heavens are declaring the glory of God; and of the work of his hands the expanse is telling.”—Psalm 19:1.

Then the path is clear. To understand what 'god' has wrought, look to the natural universe and the systematic examination thereof (science).




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The watchmaker analogy has one significant flaw; the aborigine is a cognizant being with advanced pattern seeking capabilities - the aboriginie not only looks to understand what the watch IS, but also how it can be used and how it came to be - through the perspective of their own experiences. Thus having never encountered a watch before they try to consider similar parallels to things it has encountered - the closest in the experience of an aboriginie is likely to be those things that have been created by their society, primitive tools and the like - because they like the watch are an exception in comparison to the composition of the environment around them.

What if the aborigine lived on an island with edible hard coated disk shaped plants which had two stems in the centre which rotated at different rates (according to the sun perhaps). What then would they think of the pocket watch? Why it must be a strange plant that washed there from far away, with very hard skin and the insides were inedible.

What if (instead) on the island there were a type of gold colored clam, which had within it many very hard membranes that seemed to interlock and move in unison, rhythmically in response to the clam's respiration? Why it must be some sort of clam, with a strange shell.

We interpret things through the perspective of our experiences. The aborigine has a more narrow set of previous experiences and thus capacity to comprehend new experiences.

 

[starlite]

Does it really matter to God if we try to find him or not? Why else would he encourage us to search for him? “Seek Jehovah . . . Seek righteousness, seek meekness. Probably you may be concealed in the day of Jehovah’s anger.”—ZEPHANIAH 2:3.

‘Seeking Jehovah’ involves our developing and maintaining a warm personal relationship with him. It means getting to know how God views matters and being attentive to his feelings. We seek God when we carefully study his Word, meditate upon it, and apply its counsel in our life. We can also seek God’s guidance in meaningful prayer and then follow the leading of his holy spirit.[FONT=Arial, sans-serif] We can “seek righteousness” by living a morally clean life. And we need to “seek meekness” by cultivating a meek and submissive attitude.[/FONT] As we do these things, our relationship with God deepens and we are impelled to serve him out of love.

 

[psychoslice]

The thing is, the laundry maybe folded by you, you are also in the equation.

 

[starlite]

but remember....the laundry was sitting in the dryer already folded, and sorted. The point of the illustration was to emphasize how the Big Bang theory is impossible. Clothes thrown in a dryer come out random...not in precise order. Only an intelligent designer could set up the universe the way it is.

 

[Draka]

but remember....the laundry was sitting in the dryer already folded, and sorted. The point of the illustration was to emphasize how the Big Bang theory is impossible. Clothes thrown in a dryer come out random...not in precise order. Only an intelligent designer could set up the universe the way it is.

Perhaps you see order because you want to. What do you make of all the billions of uninhabitable planets and empty space? Now, what of what is most assuredly other inhabited planets out there as well? Is this all part of this order, this design you speak of, or could it be just chance, just the fall of luck? Could it be a mix of both from the start?

 

[Koldo]

but remember....the laundry was sitting in the dryer already folded, and sorted. The point of the illustration was to emphasize how the Big Bang theory is impossible. Clothes thrown in a dryer come out random...not in precise order. Only an intelligent designer could set up the universe the way it is.

How many times have you opened the dryer and your clothes were not folded and sorted? Far too many times, right?

Now, how many times have you witnessed the beginning of an universe ''not folded and sorted''? None. Perhaps it isn't even possible for this to happen, how would you know?

 

[McBell]

The point of the illustration was to emphasize how the Big Bang theory is impossible.

Unfortunately, only choir members buy it.

Clothes thrown in a dryer come out random...not in precise order. Only an intelligent designer could set up the universe the way it is.

Either you know little to nothing about the universe, or you just showed how little intelligence was used in setting up the universe.

 

[Draka]

You know, clothes come out of my dryer in the exact order I put them in. Matter of fact, they are flat and easy to fold as I pull. Right into the basket they go all neat and folded and right in order...jeans, shirts, right down to what belongs in the top drawer. Perhaps it depends on the dryer you use and the way you use it.

Frubal for the first person who can correctly identify my dryer.

 

[savagewind]

You know, clothes come out of my dryer in the exact order I put them in. Matter of fact, they are flat and easy to fold as I pull. Right into the basket they go all neat and folded and right in order...jeans, shirts, right down to what belongs in the top drawer. Perhaps it depends on the dryer you use and the way you use it.

Frubal for the first person who can correctly identify my dryer.

A clothes line.: hamster :

 

[savagewind]

I want a frubal. :fishing: ..... Is it not a clothes line?

 

[LuisDantas]

Does it really matter to God if we try to find him or not? Why else would he encourage us to search for him?

I have no idea. Since he does not, that is not a meaningful question.

 

[Draka]

A clothes line.: hamster :

To be specific:

Perhaps some just need to use the right dryer

 

[Draka]

I want a frubal. :fishing: ..... Is it not a clothes line?

Keep your pants on...you have your frubal lady. Or are your pants on the line?

 

[savagewind]

Keep your pants on...you have your frubal lady. Or are your pants on the line?

One day I left my pants on the line and it rained on them. I had to pack for travel so I took those wet pants with me. I put them on the hood of my car while I stopped to sell my stuff before going on my way. They were dry in a couple of hours. I was kind of amazed. Jeans are thick and take longer to dry than sheets do. Sheets are real quick in the summer. I don't know about the winter though.

Thank you for the frubal. Now I have a pretty number. 222

 

[Athan]

Some folks actually are superior, in one way or another. KT is particularly good at thinking compared to the norm. It would be dishonest of him to pretend otherwise.

And I applaud that. He's honest about condescending to others. Though I've already found the guy to be offensive, I have to respect his honesty.

 

[Bartholomæus]

The Bible thinks the Earth is flat and stationary and that there's a cupola called the firmament over the Earth that the Sun and the Moon follows. Is that also your opinion?

"The Biblical picture is clearly geocentric. The earth has the shape of a flat disc so that if one were able to travel far enough, one would eventually arrive at the 'ends of the earth'"

[louisjacobs.org/library/articles/jewish-cosmology.php[/url]

The Bible dosen't claim the Earth to be flat. It states what sience discovered much later in history. The Earth is spheric (round) and it 'hangs on nothing' (floating in space).

Isaiah 40:22
Job 26:7

 

[Skwim]

The Bible dosen't claim the Earth to be flat. It states what sience discovered much later in history. The Earth is spheric (round) and it 'hangs on nothing' (floating in space).

Isaiah 40:22
Job 26:7

Isaiah 40:22 (NIV)

22 He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth,
and its people are like grasshoppers.
He stretches out the heavens like a canopy,
and spreads them out like a tent to live in.
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Circles ain't spheres, dude. They're two-dimensional, as in flat, not three.

 

[Bartholomæus]

Isaiah 40:22 (NIV)

22 He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth,
and its people are like grasshoppers.
He stretches out the heavens like a canopy,
and spreads them out like a tent to live in.
​

Circles ain't spheres, dude. They're two-dimensional, as in flat, not three.

The original hebrew word used means spheric. When i get home from work I'll find info about it and post it :yes:

 

[Skwim]

The original hebrew word used means spheric. When i get home from work I'll find info about it and post it :yes:

No need to bother. The Bible says what it does to best convey the intent of the source material. There is no reason to think that if they had thought the source author meant "sphere" they wouldn't have used just that word.