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Watchtower Governing Body: Are They The Exclusive Channel For God??

averageJOE

zombie
I dont believe you when you say you asked for an answer but couldnt get one.

But you keep believing what you choose. I respect your right to think as you please.
I misspoke. I asked a JW if they were aware with the Watchtowers association with the UN, not about the "events" of that particular article. Still, I personally still don't care. I'm not interested in a "What that really means is..." discussion. It doesn't change the fact that the Watchtower Society was an NGO for the UN. UN - NGO Relations

During the time the WS was associated with the UN they printed multiple articles endorsing them, including the benefits of volunteering for the UN. If you read the letter from the UN it points out the criteria for maintaining the association.
http://www.jwfacts.com/images/united-nations-2004.pdf

  • that the NGO share the ideals of the UN Charter;
  • have a demonstrated interest in United Nations issues and a proven ability to reach target or specialized audiences, such as educators, media representatives, policy makers and the business community;
  • have the commitment and means to conduct effective information programs about UN activities by publishing newsletters, bulletins and pamphlets, organizing conferences, seminars and round tables; and enlisting cooperation of the media.
Read the last bullet. They did that pretty well during those 10 years. But when they ended the relationship (only after being discovered by the rest of the world) they went back to their usual writings, even calling the UN "a disgusting thing".
"In the larger fulfillment, the “standing” will occur when the UnitedNations (the modern-day “disgusting thing”) attacks Christendom (which is holy in the eyes of nominal Christians) and the rest of Babylon the Great." The Watchtower (2013) 7/15 p. 3-8

"We are not duped into thinking that any man-made agency like the UnitedNations is God’s means of bringing true peace and security." The Watchtower (2005) 9/15 p. 16-20

The way I understand it is that JW's will do one of three things after learning about this. 1) Ignore it. 2) Try to justify it. 3) Recognize the hypocrisy and realize that the Watchtower organization is guilty (by their own standards) of apostasy.
 

djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
The way I understand it is that JW's will do one of three things after learning about this. 1) Ignore it. 2) Try to justify it. 3) Recognize the hypocrisy and realize that the Watchtower organization is guilty (by their own standards) of apostasy.

They will ignore and justify it!
 

djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
*** w09 6/15 p. 22 par. 11 The Faithful Steward and Its Governing Body ***
11 Jesus’ words recorded at Matthew 24:45 clearly indicate that there would still be a faithful and discreet slave class living on earth during the time of the end.

I guess you have to be under the hypnotic control of the GB to see that Matthew 24:45 "CLEARLY INDICATES" a slave "CLASS".
 

djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
*** w09 10/15 p. 15 par. 14 “You Are My Friends” ***
14 Many of those first-century Christians had known Jesus personally or had seen him after his resurrection. Obviously, we have not had that privilege. How, then, can we be friends of Christ? One way is to obey the direction provided by the faithful and discreet slave class, which consists of Jesus’ spirit-anointed brothers still alive on earth. Jesus promised that during “the conclusion of the system of things,” he would appoint this slave “over all his belongings.” (Matt. 24:3, 45-47) Today, the vast majority of those who seek to be friends of Christ are not members of this slave class. How does their response to the direction they receive from the faithful slave class influence their friendship with Christ?

If you do not recognize the GB you can't know Jesus or have a relationship with Him. We must be part of an organization that "goes ahead of the writings" and teach what they think the Bible says and don't "wait on Jehovah". @kjw47 says, "An error is never truth. It is being taught in error not in truth." So all the teachings the GB "CHANGED" because they "THOUGHT" wrong was never truth! So how can an organization that doesn't teach truth be the only access to Jesus?
 

djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
John 14:5-6 (ESVST) 6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”


*** w81 8/1 p. 26 par. 20 Harvesting in the “Time of the End” ***
20 Where do you stand with regard to the fulfillment of the illustration of the “wheat” and the “weeds”? The fact that the “harvest” of the “sons of the kingdom” is well advanced proves that the “conclusion [synteʹleia] of the system of things” is nearing its end (telos). Your attitude toward the wheatlike anointed “brothers” of Christ and the treatment you accord them "will be the determining factor as to whether you go into “everlasting cutting-off” or receive “everlasting life.” (Matt. 25:34-46) Prove yourself to be a loyal companion of the anointed “wheat” class, the “faithful and discreet slave,” whom Christ has appointed to provide spiritual “food at the proper time.” (Matt. 24:45) Keep active in the ingathering work, for remember, “this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end [telos] will come,” and “he that has endured to the end [telos] is the one that will be saved.”—Matt. 24:13, 14.

wow! I am speechless!!!!!
 

djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
The deception they teach!

*** w11 5/15 p. 26 Following Christ, the Perfect Leader ***

Shortly before his death, Jesus mentioned another way in which we can follow his leadership. He said: “He that receives anyone I send receives me also.” (John 13:20) In fact, Jesus spoke of his anointed representatives as his “brothers.” (Matt. 25:40)

Mat 25:40 (ESVST) 40 And the King will answer them, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.'

I love how they take verses out of context to promote the GB! These are the brothers Jesus is talking about. Jesus never said "anointed brothers"!

Mat 25:35-39 (ESVST) 35 For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, 36 I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me. ' 37 Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ' Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? 38 And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? 39 And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you? '
 

averageJOE

zombie
*** w02 3/1 p. 17 par. 16 How Precious Is the Truth to You? ***
16 Many believe that if they had more money, they would be happier. However, if we make the gaining of money our chief goal in life, we might suffer “untold agonies of mind.” (1 Timothy 6:10, Phillips) Consider how many buy lottery tickets, spend money in casinos, or speculate recklessly in the stock market, dreaming of making a fortune. Very, very few see the fortune they hope for. And often even those who do see it find that their sudden wealth does not bring happiness. Rather, abiding happiness comes from doing Jehovah’s will, working with the Christian congregation with the guidance of Jehovah’s holy spirit and the help of his angels. (Psalm 1:1-3; 84:4, 5; 89:15) When we do this, unexpected blessings may come our way. Is the truth precious enough to you to bring such blessings into your life?


This is very recent. 2011 actually.

http://www.hedgefundintelligence.co...ts/InvestHedge-Forum-2011.html?ElementId=9679

First the United Nations, now Hedge Fund.
 

djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
It's called hypocrisy Luke 12:1

I believe that most JW's obey what the GB teaches. I believe they try to be no part of the world, which I don't understand how that works but, I don't need to. I know that the GB is very much part of the world. Watch the videos they have on their site, the GB don't do a very good job of hiding all the fancy jewelry they wear.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I believe that most JW's obey what the GB teaches. I believe they try to be no part of the world, which I don't understand how that works but, I don't need to. I know that the GB is very much part of the world. Watch the videos they have on their site, the GB don't do a very good job of hiding all the fancy jewelry they wear.
Jehovah's Witnesses learn that to obey the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses is to obey God.
 

katiemygirl

CHRISTIAN
JW's say they don't vote or get involved in politics. They brag about how many members they have worldwide, yet...

I saw yet another video from Planned Parenthood last night, which showed the cavalier attitudes of doctors who perform abortions on unborn babies and then negotiate prices and sell their organs. It broke my heart. Sixty million little babies are murdered every year.

Everyone and anyone who calls themseves christian should be outraged by this. All christians, including JW's who say they are christians, need to get involved in the politics of this atrocity. Even something as simple as a letter to your congressmen and representatives could make a difference.

A twelve week old baby...fingers, toes, eyelids, and ears. :(
 
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djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
JW's say they don't vote or get involved in politics. They brag about how many members they have worldwide, yet...

I saw yet another video from Planned Parenthood last night, which showed the cavalier attitudes of doctors who perform abortions on unborn babies and then negotiate prices and sell their organs. It broke my heart. Sixty million little babies are murdered every year.

Everyone and anyone who calls themseves christian should be outraged by this. All christians, including JW's who say they are christians, need to get involved in the politics of this atrocity. Even something as simple as a letter to your congressmen and representatives could make a difference.

A twelve week old baby...fingers, toes, eyelids, and ears. :(

All through the OT God has appointed kings to rule His people. I can't understand where the JW's get that they are just supposed to sit back and let the world do whatever it wants. Just another doctrine from hell, being "no part of the world". I can't even imagine how God would not want His people to have control of His creation.
 

katiemygirl

CHRISTIAN
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I touch on some of the systems and organs in the human body and its functions showing how and why there must be a Creator or an intelligent designer. Hopefully some of you enjoys it.
This has nothing to do with the thread.

Here is the thread topic:

Is the governing body of the Watchtower Organization the exclusive channel for God? They seem to think so. According to them, we are dependent on THEM for spiritual food, and IT IS VITAL THAT WE RECOGNIZE "THEM," AS THE DISCREET SLAVE. OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD IS DEPENDENT ON "THEM!"

Here's what they said in 2013.


“That faithful slave is the channel through which Jesus is feeding his true followers in this time of the end. It is vital that we recognize the faithful slave. Our spiritual health and our relationship with God depend on this channel,” (Watchtower, July 15, 2013, p. 20).

And just who is the faithful and discreet slave? It's the small group of annointed brothers - THE GOVERNING BODY OF THE WATCHTOWER ORGANIZATION.

“Who, then, is the faithful and discreet slave? In keeping with Jesus’ pattern of feeding many through the hands of a few, that slave is made up of a small group of anointed brothers who are directly involved in preparing and dispensing spiritual food during Christ’s presence,” (Watchtower, July 15, 2013, p. 22).

Where does it say in the Bible that a FEW JW BROTHERS have been annointed to dispense spiritual food?

So who really is the “faithful and discreet slave”? The answer is very simple: anyone who is found faithful to Christ’s command to “give them their rations at the proper time,” (Luke 12:42) when He returns. Surely these faithful slaves have existed since the first century. After all, Jesus directly admonished Peter to “feed my sheep.” (John 21:15-17)
 

e.r.m.

Church of Christ
I believe I'm changing my position on JWs cultness.

First cult is not a Biblical concept. What is Biblical is
Matthew 23:13, 15-28 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. [15] “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are. [16] “Woe to you, blind guides! You say, 'If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gold of the temple is bound by that oath.' [17] You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? [18] You also say, 'If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gift on the altar is bound by that oath.' [19] You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred? [20] Therefore, anyone who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. [21] And anyone who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it. [22] And anyone who swears by heaven swears by God's throne and by the one who sits on it. [23] “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices---mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law---justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. [24] You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel. [25] “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. [26] Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean. [27] “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. [28] In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.

This encompasses a lot of what today is known as cults.

I've long maintained that beliefs create the culture around them. Belief only salvation creates altar calls, sinners prayers, and counseling rooms. Infant baptism creates godparents, baptism certificates, and a strong identity of being catholic. The belief of being unique and special creates isolationism, a superior complex, and often times a hierarchy. But it takes more than the belief of being unique and special, the Jews actually were unique and special. That alone did not cause the abuses listed in Matthew 23. I believe it takes believing one is the keeper of God's words/understanding and not obeying Jesus's command to be a servant. This I believe kicks off the lust for power. God is the only keeper of His truths. When we defer to His teachings and recognize that others can find it on their own as well, we show humility before God as God. When we make ourselves to be a mediator between God and men, then we are claiming to have some of God's authority. Whenever a group sees themselves as unique and special, a keeper of God's truth, and an authority in & of themselves instead of a servant under God equally as everyone else, then Matthew 23ism has a fertile ground from which to emerge, in its ugliest forms. JWs governing body, in my understanding, claim to be such a keeper. They believe they are unique and special, and despite their servant name, they behave as an authority. There are many good qualities in JWs, but as long as those factors are there, there will always be abuses, akin to Matthew 23. They will always have to put out fires. They haven't yet cleaned the inside of the cup. The good aspects lauded as redeeming virtues will always be on the fringe, but the heart of their organization is corrupt as long as they maintain this position.
 
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