Water Protectors and DAPL

[averageJOE]

For months now native Americans have been standing strong against the multi billion dollar corporation Energy Transfer Partners from constructing an oil pipe line that stretches from North Dakota to Illinois. The pipeline is supposed to run under the Missouri River, which is the main source of drinking water for millions of people. Doing so would put that water at risk for oil leaks. Not to mention that this pipeline has already and will continue to destroy ancient native burial sites.

Police and law enforcement have been using tactics on these peaceful protesters/protectors that even the military wouldn't use (I'm a current military police soldier with civil disturbance training so I can speak first hand on that). Basically, they have been deploying less-than-lethal rounds at a lethal range. One woman nearly got her arm blown off by a concussion grenade because they threw it directly at her. People have been hit in the head and face by rubber bullets, and they used water canons in freezing temperatures causing mass hyperthermia.

All this is happening and the main stream media doesn't cover it. When they do it is usually a 15 second lie. They mainstream news is more interested in Trumps latest tweet. Obama is silent on the issue. Elizebeth Warren...silent. Hillary Clinton...silent, probably because companies like that were her biggest donors. Trump...he holds stakes in Energy Transfer Partners so he has a financial interest in seeing this completed. The only politicians standing up against this corporate takeover is Tulsi Gabbard, Bernie Sanders, and Jill Stein.

This is wrong. What kind of world is this when a multi-billion dollar corporation can take whatever it wants and do whatever it wants without repercussion of any kind. 2000 veterans will be self deploying on 12/4 to help defend the natives, land, and water against this monster corporation.

I feel there is no debate here. But I would love to here from people who think the water protectors are wrong.

 

[Nietzsche]

From a purely legalistic point of view, the company has no right here. Even if we ignore this being potentially being Sioux land, it's Federal land, specifically, Army Corps of Engineers land. So North Dakota has...precisely zero right to do anything that they're doing here. At all. At all.

 

[averageJOE]

 

[Acim]

I feel there is no debate here.

Then why did you put this in the debate section?

 

[Iti oj]

Then why did you put this in the debate section?

Wonderful job quote mining really great content add. one of those comments is sarcastic .

Anyways I stand with standing rock.

 

[Acim]

Wonderful job quote mining really great content add. one of those comments is sarcastic .

Anyways I stand with standing rock.

And I see a debate to be had, or is being had. Curious what people think the alternative is? No pipeline at all? Even after the company has gotten all necessary Federal and State permits to build it?

 

[Acim]

Anyways I stand with standing rock.

Not all the Standing Rock Sioux are protesting the pipeline

 

[Iti oj]

No pipeline at all?

Yes. personally stand that's my view.

 

[Acim]

Yes. personally stand that's my view.

How do you handle the idea of other pipelines existing elsewhere? Do you lose sleep at night because of that?

 

[Iti oj]

How do you handle the idea of other pipelines existing elsewhere? Do you lose sleep at night because of that?

I work way to hard as a logger to lose sleep at night. unless of course my daughter decides other wise.

We need to start moving away from oil. I would even be willing to drill here in the USA if the profits were used to innovate the green revolution and build the infrastructure .

 

[averageJOE]

And I see a debate to be had, or is being had. Curious what people think the alternative is? No pipeline at all? Even after the company has gotten all necessary Federal and State permits to build it?

The natives are asking for the pipeline to be rerouted. And they do not have the permits as of now.

 

[averageJOE]

These drones scare the police. So they create a bogus law.

 

[Iti oj]

The natives are asking for the pipeline to be rerouted. And they do not have the permits as of now.

Yes and north Dakota can't give it to them as it is federal land .

 

[Acim]

The natives are asking for the pipeline to be rerouted. And they do not have the permits as of now.

I'm under the impression they have all permits but one, the easement to go under Lake Oahe, which is currently under review.

http://www.usace.army.mil/Dakota-Access-Pipeline/FAQs/

If you are aware of other permits not being obtained, perhaps you can source such a claim?

 

[Guy Threepwood]

For months now native Americans have been standing strong against the multi billion dollar corporation Energy Transfer Partners from constructing an oil pipe line that stretches from North Dakota to Illinois. The pipeline is supposed to run under the Missouri River, which is the main source of drinking water for millions of people. Doing so would put that water at risk for oil leaks. Not to mention that this pipeline has already and will continue to destroy ancient native burial sites.

Police and law enforcement have been using tactics on these peaceful protesters/protectors that even the military wouldn't use (I'm a current military police soldier with civil disturbance training so I can speak first hand on that). Basically, they have been deploying less-than-lethal rounds at a lethal range. One woman nearly got her arm blown off by a concussion grenade because they threw it directly at her. People have been hit in the head and face by rubber bullets, and they used water canons in freezing temperatures causing mass hyperthermia.

All this is happening and the main stream media doesn't cover it. When they do it is usually a 15 second lie. They mainstream news is more interested in Trumps latest tweet. Obama is silent on the issue. Elizebeth Warren...silent. Hillary Clinton...silent, probably because companies like that were her biggest donors. Trump...he holds stakes in Energy Transfer Partners so he has a financial interest in seeing this completed. The only politicians standing up against this corporate takeover is Tulsi Gabbard, Bernie Sanders, and Jill Stein.

This is wrong. What kind of world is this when a multi-billion dollar corporation can take whatever it wants and do whatever it wants without repercussion of any kind. 2000 veterans will be self deploying on 12/4 to help defend the natives, land, and water against this monster corporation.

I feel there is no debate here. But I would love to here from people who think the water protectors are wrong.

Eminent domain

without it we couldn't have interstates, airports. Oil transportation is similarly a vital part of a modern economies infrastructure.

We are lucky that we have private oil companies in this country at all. Most are government owned.

And I doubt all the Indians are protesting it, many are are happy to accept the access payments- they are usually pretty generous. But some are no doubt trying to hold out and get more.

 

[averageJOE]

I'm under the impression they have all permits but one, the easement to go under Lake Oahe, which is currently under review.

FAQ's

If you are aware of other permits not being obtained, perhaps you can source such a claim?

It's already well known that the pipeline is mostly completed, except for this section. ETP has been obtaining permits as they went, section at a time.

 

[averageJOE]

Eminent domain

without it we couldn't have interstates, airports. Oil transportation is similarly a vital part of a modern economies infrastructure.

We are lucky that we have private oil companies in this country at all. Most are government owned.

And I doubt all the Indians are protesting it, many are are happy to accept the access payments- they are usually pretty generous. But some are no doubt trying to hold out and get more.

Eminent domain doesn't apply here, which is why it has never been declared. Eminent domain is when the government claims private property for public use. What's happening in North Dakota is the opposite. A private company is trying to use federal land without permits and permission.

 

[averageJOE]

Great news! The pipeline has been halted to conduct an environmental impact study. Although a huge victory the fight is not over. President-elect Trump, who has stocks in this pipeline, could work to reverse this ruling when he takes office.
U.S. Army Denies Permit for Dakota Access Pipeline Construction
In Victory For Protesters, Army Halts Construction On Dakota Pipeline

 

[Nietzsche]

And I doubt all the Indians are protesting it, many are are happy to accept the access payments- they are usually pretty generous. But some are no doubt trying to hold out and get more.

The government offered to buy the land from the Sioux in the 50s or so, and that money is sitting in a bank account, collecting interest. It's at 1.something Billion dollars right now. But they don't want the money, they want the land their ancestors are buried on.

So yes, in this instance, it is all the Natives who want the land rather than the money.