We are seeing the fruits of division

[Mark Dohle]

We are seeing the fruits of division​

I am disheartened by what happened in Washington yesterday. It is hard to believe, or maybe not, the split in our country seems scary. I wonder if the next four years will be like the last four. If it is, will we actually survive the 2024 election as a nation?

On the left, Trump is seen as a Fascist. On the right, Biden is feared to be a communist puppet. How crazy is that? Can't we see that both sides are just mirroring each other?

Trump has shown me that he cares little for this country. By allowing this to happen. I do know that if he runs in 2024 (he may be in jail) I will not vote for him.

I not for the abortion issue I would be Democrat.

Someone has to speak for the 'unborn', the ones who are helpless against their lives being taken away. I understand the pain of the issue for all involved, but for me, it is murder, even if I have compassion for those who get them.

Abortion, like all of our societal problems, have their roots in a culture that has lost its way. Drugs, the breakdown of the family, and yes the seeming corruption growing in both political parties. Politics is not about the public serving anymore, perhaps it was never was, but a career, which for many politicians, perhaps the majority, is what is important. Power is a heady brew. Or it can drive one crazy, as we are seeing with Trump. There is no way that man is sane at this time.

I am just a tad left of center, and like many caught in the middle....not a good place to be at this time.

Well, no more talking about this issue for me, way to murky, angry, and complicated for me to understand. Sometimes all one can do is to trust and pray, and try to do some good in one sphere of influence--Br.MD

 

[Lyndon]

I clearly remember not so long ago before the election where you came out and said you support Trump and we should vote for him because he's against abortion (which isn't even true IMHO, I'm sure he has paid for many abortions in his life)

Its very convenient now that Trump is so unpopular to come out and say you don't support him, but we remember when you did support him.

 

[sun rise]

I not for the abortion issue I would be Democrat.

For what it's worth, I'm an anti-abortion Democrat. But I don't believe that taking the choice away from women, making it illegal and thus jailing women who get them is anywhere close to the answer. I know this because of the personal experience of my mother during the 1930's.

Instead my attitude is that we need to build a culture that understands women's needs, builds system supporting women including universal health care and makes it truly easy for a women to choose to carry a baby to term.

For example, I know people who have raise Downs children because they believe the child is God's gift to them. And I've seen how wonderful such children raised in an atmosphere of love turn out to be.

"Choose life" can be a hypocritical slogan from those who won't work for that end or a rallying cry for those who spread the message of love and remove barriers to making that choice.

 

[pearl]

I not for the abortion issue I would be Democrat.

That's the problem when we restrict our conscience to one moral issue. It presents a dilemma.


For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, a stranger and you welcomed me,

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naked and you clothed me, ill and you cared for me, in prison and you visited me.

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Then the righteous will answer him and say, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink?

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When did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you?

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When did we see you ill or in prison, and visit you?’

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i And the king will say to them in reply, ‘Amen, I say to you, whatever you did for one of these least brothers of mine, you did for me.’

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Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you accursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

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For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink,

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a stranger and you gave me no welcome, naked and you gave me no clothing, ill and in prison, and you did not care for me.’

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Then they will answer and say, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or ill or in prison, and not minister to your needs?’

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He will answer them, ‘Amen, I say to you, what you did not do for one of these least ones, you did not do for me.’

Abortion has been a political issue sense 1973.

Sometimes all one can do is to trust and pray, and try to do some good in one sphere of influence--Br.MD

It takes a village. Assuring a pregnant woman she's not alone, both before and after giving birth.

 

[Mock Turtle]

The right-wing still seem to be suffering echoes of the Communist witch trials from decades ago, and where this is hardly justified.

 

[Mark Dohle]

I clearly remember not so long ago before the election where you came out and said you support Trump and we should vote for him because he's against abortion (which isn't even true IMHO, I'm sure he has paid for many abortions in his life)

Its very convenient now that Trump is so unpopular to come out and say you don't support him, but we remember when you did support him.

Good point. Pro-life issues I will admit have backed me into a corner when it comes to voting. Trump was the only one to vote for since he says (he may not be) he is pro-life.

Peace
Mark

 

[Mark Dohle]

For what it's worth, I'm an anti-abortion Democrat. But I don't believe that taking the choice away from women, making it illegal and thus jailing women who get them is anywhere close to the answer. I know this because of the personal experience of my mother during the 1930's.

Instead my attitude is that we need to build a culture that understands women's needs, builds system supporting women including universal health care and makes it truly easy for a women to choose to carry a baby to term.

For example, I know people who have raise Downs children because they believe the child is God's gift to them. And I've seen how wonderful such children raised in an atmosphere of love turn out to be.

"Choose life" can be a hypocritical slogan from those who won't work for that end or a rallying cry for those who spread the message of love and remove barriers to making that choice.

I do agree with you. There is no simple solution, or there may not be. But yes, in order for abortion to at least become less needed there have to be some deep changes in our cultures. I do not see that happening. I am not for punishing those who get abortions, it is wrong. they need compassion and healing.

Peace
Mark

 

[Mark Dohle]

The right-wing still seem to be suffering echoes of the Communist witch trials from decades ago, and where this is hardly justified.

Lots of conspiracy theories, lots of believers in them.

peace
Mark