Thief
Rogue Theologian
wipe your glasses.....
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Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
What has cause to do with the right path?
Going three feet under the ground or sometimes going up with flames.
Why at all get into that void? All the problem is because of the concept. "What is" is always there, will always remain there.
Oh yeah. Can't see Emperor's new clothes? 'You must be blind'. Come, let me put you right so that you can see them.
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Thief
Rogue Theologian
ok....like any nonbeliever.....you got your retort tool sharpened.....What has cause to do with the right path?Going three feet under the ground or sometimes going up with flames.
how about retort with a touch of logical denial?
three feet down in a box......could happen to you
eternal darkness is physically real.
up in flames?....this world or the next?
can't see such things coming?
I think you can.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
You fail to frighten me. Mostly up in the flames, (65% water vapour, 16% Carbon-di-oxide), the rest as sediments in River Ganges on immersion of ashes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composition_of_the_human_body#Composition_by_molecule_type
(River scene given below, people in the boats may be immersing the ashes of their dead)
Thief
Rogue Theologian
don't care your fear....or lack thereof...
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
If cause and effect is in play, and I agree that it should be, how then did the "Creator" come about? If you respond that he/she/it always existed, then cause and effect is no longer in play.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
for years I've been posted about the singularity....
and your question pops up over and over....
What I lean to is substance not having volition of it's own.
the laws of motion hold everything at rest until 'something' moves it.
at the point of singularity.....choose....
Spirit first?....or substance?
if you choose substance.....
then all of life is a complex accident with no purpose or resolve.
the mystery of life would prevail.
(why are we here)
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Thief is the one who mentioned "cause", and my question was back to him in regards to what he thought this supposed "cause" was.
I didn't state nor imply that we should. Quite the reverse if one takes my words in context.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Let me remind you that you are the one who posted that cause and effect is "in play", which I said I do agree with, so what you write above does not deal with what's "in play". So, let me ask you again, how did this "creator" come about if cause and effect in "in play"? The rest I can wait to deal with until you respond.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
I picture some things as simultaneous.
to say...I AM!....you might need something to show for it.
so...Let there be light!.....is more than coincidence.
the item you might be asking for echoes in question.....
how can God say....I AM!.....before creating?
maybe He could say nothing before the creation.
we get to ask Him when we get there.
(I'm sure the word.....void ....will come up)
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Metta.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Hindus believe he said (to himself) "Eko'ham Bahusyama." ('I am one, let me be many' in Sanskrit) and then went on with creation.
If I may be so bold, that probably makes at least three of us.
Except that only one of us keeps asking whether the others are not afraid.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
You are still avoiding the question I asked. Again, what caused God, and if God was uncaused, then obviously cause and effect are simply not in play with you.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
But Hindu sages have spent much time in the past trying to deal with this, so I wouldn't consider it to be a "negative" per se. In the past at least, there have been some Hindu non-theistic schools who pretty much have taken the "what difference does it make" approach, which I tend to agree with, btw.
What I have found remarkably refreshing with Hinduism is its openness to different ideas without passing judgement on which supposedly is the only "right path". IOW, they typically have taken the "many paths to God" approach, and for various reasons.
You can? Why would that happen?
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Ditto, which is why I have so many different hats that I wear. Hey, I'm open to being wrong, and my wife lets me know when that is-- over and over and over... again.
How can one change into a believer? Yes, I know that has been known to happen, but I never understood it.