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We Came From Stars!
- Thread starter Orias
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What do you mean we came from the stars? Technically, we and the stars and all else in the universe come from the same, singular event, so we come from where the stars come from. If you mean alien intervention in our creation, I am unable to say. While the existence of aliens is undeniably likely, and it is possible they have interacted with us, I am not sure I would say they actually created us. If you mean amino acids and such on a meteor that crashed to earth, I would say yes to that one as the most likely, and that could be considered coming from the stars. So, I chose the first.
Absolute Zero
fon memories
Oh no is this another Ancient Astronat theory. If this is what your thread is supposed to mean then where is the proof
s2a
Heretic and part-time (skinny) Santa impersonator
Just so you know, I selected:
"Yes we came from stars and no it doesn't support evolution."
Because, well, it doesn't.
Cosmological origin theories do not support evolution theory, no more than evolution theory supports string theory in theoretical physics.
Evolution theory notes and observes the changes in living organisms over time...
There is nothing in cosmology that offers anything similar in that vein...
Why most people can not separate the two scientific disciplines from one another continues to baffle me...
"Yes we came from stars and no it doesn't support evolution."
Because, well, it doesn't.
Cosmological origin theories do not support evolution theory, no more than evolution theory supports string theory in theoretical physics.
Evolution theory notes and observes the changes in living organisms over time...
There is nothing in cosmology that offers anything similar in that vein...
Why most people can not separate the two scientific disciplines from one another continues to baffle me...
To my understanding all materials on the Earth has on one point been in a star. So in a very literal way we come from the stars, I guess.
I think we came from some parts of stars, not the entire stars, not sure or care if it supports evolution
s2a
Heretic and part-time (skinny) Santa impersonator
Just a supposition on my part, and my apologies if it was the intent of the OP to allude otherwise, but as I understand the question...
We are made of "starstuff".
All of the requisite heavier elements required to assemble and form "life as we know it" are the byproduct of exploding stars.
Stars burn hydrogen, which produces helium. As stars age, and consume their spent and converted fuel to sustain thermonuclear fusion, they become hotter to convert ever heavier elements (as byproducts of the increasing heat) to sustain the reaction, until a point is attained where the mass of the stars heavier elements can no longer be consumed as fuel to sustain a fusion energy process... so, eventually, that star goes *boom* (in stars of sufficient mass). If a star of sufficient mass does go *boom", that explosion creates unimaginable temperatures and energies that create ever denser and heavier elements as byproduct... and those elements (from oxygen, to carbon,and nitrogen...to gold, silver, platinum, uranium, etc)... which are then expelled into the cosmos to either coalesce and reform into others stars, or planets, or after a long time, life forms like us
We would not exist without the death of many stars before us, long ago...
..we are indeed made up of the stuff of exploding stars...
Which is kinda cool when you think about it
Billions of years from now, you too will again be "recycled" in such a fashion...
Which of course has absolutely nothing to do with the evident facts of biological evolution at all...
Thief
Rogue Theologian
The chemistry portion is easy enough.
The heavier elements were made by larger stars, and when they became nova, that chemistry was spread out in all directions, even to this earth.
This life would not be possible without the 'stardust'.
But as this thread is posted in the religious debate section....
and the word 'evolution' has been used....
Are we to leave God out of it?
The heavier elements were made by larger stars, and when they became nova, that chemistry was spread out in all directions, even to this earth.
This life would not be possible without the 'stardust'.
But as this thread is posted in the religious debate section....
and the word 'evolution' has been used....
Are we to leave God out of it?
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
Being forged in stellar furnaces doesn't support evolution, because the matter which came from those occurrences was not alive yet.
It's meaningless wordplay.
Why's evolution exclude God?
Thief
Rogue Theologian
I actually don't think evolution leaves God out.
God is at hand....tweaking the dna.
It's His creation. He can do what He wants with it.
Orias
Left Hand Path
It means what it means, and I guess it supposes evidence for evolution the same way a falling apple promotes gravity
This is the only post in this thread that hasn't contributed anything. Do you want a meaningless poster badge?
:slap:
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
It means what it means, and I guess it supposes evidence for evolution the same way a falling apple promotes gravity
An apple falls because of the effects of gravity.
Stars do not generate the elements because of biological evolution
Orias
Left Hand Path
Stars do not generate the elements because of biological evolution
Well of course they do not generate the elements because of biological evolution, they generate the elements that allow biological evolution.
Orias
Left Hand Path
I guess theres a difference between karate and Tae Kwon Do, but I guess try explaining the difference to a boxer.
I don't think the fact that we came from stars directly supports the theory of evolution, but I don't think that it doesn't support evolution as well.
An example would be, "oh we came from stars, so we must have evolved into what we are today, from the star dust left behind to fertilize the planet" type thing. Of course the two scientific disciplines are separate, but that doesn't mean they cannot support each other, or teach an apparently similar looking kick in a different way.
I don't think the fact that we came from stars directly supports the theory of evolution, but I don't think that it doesn't support evolution as well.
An example would be, "oh we came from stars, so we must have evolved into what we are today, from the star dust left behind to fertilize the planet" type thing. Of course the two scientific disciplines are separate, but that doesn't mean they cannot support each other, or teach an apparently similar looking kick in a different way.