We must tear down the Democratic Party!

[suncowiam]

More BS.

How so?

 

[Kapalika]

Snopes has been printing political lies consistently for years, they're nearly in self-destruct mode financially. Who'd have thought that when people count on you for the truth, and you stop printing it, it'd be bad for your business model? It takes a real person of character to defend a racist baby murder like her, just saying. Anyway, I refuse to take any of their articles with merit because a quick Google search refutes much of their claims. Anyway, which part was the lie? The fact that she was paling with KKK people, a Democrat, or that she believed in eugenics or though that people of poor economic situations had no right to breed? (Most of those people would be minorities in her time, etc.) You can wear the rose colored glasses if you want, but those are just the facts. I'm sure all of those pictures of her speaking at KKK rallies on the internet are fake too, lol.

Oh? Like what sources?

Cause these are mine to the contrary:

Margaret Sanger - Wikiquote
Did Margaret Sanger believe African-Americans
Fundamentalist Deceit: An American Tradition: The Demonizing of Margaret Sanger

I know for a fact these lies originated with Christain fundamentalists as a way to discredit women's health clinics when a very very small percentage of their services are abortions.

Why would a Satanist be so anti choice anyway? Aren't we supposed to be all about individual choice and power? Or is this just a way to throw the baby out with the bath water to find something to attack democrats with? You don't need to scrape that low on the barrel to find bull**** within the democratic party.

edit: I got a lot more sources but i figured 3 was enough

 

[Revoltingest]

More BS.

It's still hilarious that the much reviled evil Dick Cheney
is more progressive than Obama & both Clintons, having
favored gay marriage long before they "evolved".

 

[shunyadragon]

Good grief! You act like we're talking about normal people. Byrd actually was one of the chief recruiters for the Klan in WV. He knew exactly what the deal was. Did he "repent"? Hardly.

No, he was not a chief recruiter for the KKK references please, and not just questionable photos. We need to see Byrd's own words documenting this claim. He was noted to be a fire brand evangelical preacher in his younger years with a radio program in his early years reflecting Southern Christian evangelicals.

Robert Byrd interview about jesse jackson - Bivideo

Listen to the whole video get a proper context of Byrd's references.

You are being selectively dishonest to justify your agenda.

 

[Stanyon]

So, can we call for the destruction of the Democratic Party because it is a monument to racism and divisiveness? They literally founded the KKK, caused the Civil War because they wanted slaves, and Planned Parenthood was a eugenics program by a known racist called Margret Sanger, also a Democrat.
Apparently, we are all about tearing down statues but I feel this isn't the root cause - the root cause is the Democrats who have been on the wrong side of history OVER and OVER. Discuss?

It seems the Democrats did a perfectly fine job of tearing each other down this last election

 

[Father Heathen]

One thing about the LHP is that 'discrimination' isn't a demonized word the same way it is with mainstream nomos. Truth always Trump's politique, and the truth is it is in our nature to discriminate. We all discriminate every day, from the foods we eat to the decisions we make. This extends straight on down the line to judgement of people.

We are tribal people, and it is also part of our nature to view with suspicion those that are not of our tribe. The liberal narrative that we should fight against this and instead embrace some global brotherhood of man is hardly in line with any of that.

I often find myself agreeing with fundies on the topic of politics, just not for the same reasons.

If you say so, but what if you ended up among those designated second class citizens with less rights and freedoms than whatever demographic is favored by the powers that be? What if LHP literature, communication, assembly, etc. were banned and those who openly identified as LHP were imprisoned? It's in our self-interest to protect the rights and freedoms of others - regardless of our personal opinions - to avoid setting a precedent where our own rights become threatened.

 

[shunyadragon]

How so?

Documentation?

 

[shunyadragon]

More BS.

Sounds like a died in the wool Alt-right Republican.

 

[BSM1]

Sounds like a died in the wool Alt-right Republican.

Most of us hear what we want to hear, usually without really listening to what's being said. Welcome to the club.

 

[Father Heathen]

If you mean that freedom as in things that fuel addictions, hmm.. kinda strange... These are just worthless diversions, not important things.

In other words, this talk of "loving freedom" was nothing more than an empty, insincere platitude.

If by reproductive rights you mean "baby killing" then anyone in their right mind is against it, unless you ignore the science that states a one celled organism is living. Religious arguments hold no sway with me, lol.

If being alive is your only criteria for personhood, then I hope you don't wash with anti-bacterial soap, otherwise you would be a mass murderer.

As far as gay rights, the party is pretty gay-OK at this moment. Big secret though, hush, there are plenty of gay conservatives because they don't want the country going to hell either.

I have a hard time believing that any significant number of homosexuals support the party that had long considered them abominations.

Actually, I support whoever does the least apparent damage. Right now, that happens to be the Republicans, but I have no doubt that I will vote someone else later because I will, lol. The Dems just give me nothing to vote for, I mean , "because racism", "because identity", or "russia! russia! russia!" isn't a platform. None of that is going to be enough to ever get me to vote their way, even if they had found something to legitimize their claims we're in America.

Disliking Trump doesn't automatically mean you love the Dems (I'm not a fan of the Dems, either, but I do consider them the "lesser evil"), nor does disliking Trump mean you dislike the republican party. You can separate the personalities from the policies.

- you're allowed to be a racist, so long as you aren't whipping peoples asses in the streets. True freedom means that all are allowed to exist, so long as they can coexist.

Of course people have the right to their beliefs, opinions, and ideas (no matter how irrational or unsubstantiated) as long they don't violate the rights of others. I do, however, consider racists to be lacking in reason and integrity.

Tell me how you're going to do your best to solve our real issues like safety, security, or economic welfare and do it without socialism and I'm in.

Political tests always place me somewhere between liberal and libertarian, and I tend to be more flexible and pragmatic when it comes to fiscal/economic policies. There is a difference, however, between simply making promises and actually preforming competently.

My OP was about the hypocrisy of the left denying their own tainted history, and then going after everyone else like a lynch mob. Of course I am going to re-frame it, and mock it... Because, it's a joke.., I find it especially funny when the Dems talk about Confederates like they were something else, when all of them were Democrats...

But they actually were something else. What similarities other than the name do you think there are between present day democratic party and 1800's democratic party?

 

[Father Heathen]

I am no expert on LHP.
But I would have said the exact opposite. The republican ethos is more about personal responsibility and the democratic ethos is more about collective good.
Tom

I would say that libertarianism is the most fitting for the LHP, as republicans tend to present themselves as moral crusaders who condemn the pursuit of carnal pleasures.

 

[Mindmaster]

But they actually were something else. What similarities other than the name do you think there are between present day democratic party and 1800's democratic party?

The present day and the old party are the same, the racists have been in the party ever since. There was no "new anti-racist Democratic party", the party just decided they were going to go along with LBJ's strong-arming on the Civil Rights Act and pretend they weren't the same old racists. Only one openly racist party member defected to the Republicans, and some of these people have only died in the last 10 years. How is that for recent?

I really think it is disingenuous to represent that the party has changed, because it hasn't. The dialogue is the same - identity politics, ad infinitum. They may change which pawn they decided to play with in the next round of the game of chess, but that's all they did. Same terrible leadership, same boring and irrelevant shell game.

 

[Father Heathen]

It's still hilarious that the much reviled evil Dick Cheney
is more progressive than Obama & both Clintons, having
favored gay marriage long before they "evolved".

Did he urge his party on the matter?

 

[Mindmaster]

I would say that libertarianism is the most fitting for the LHP, as republicans tend to present themselves as moral crusaders who condemn the pursuit of carnal pleasures.

I think you're conflating religious values with political ones... Certainly, there is a large wing of right Christians who shape some of these policies. The LHP doesn't address law, in fact, the LHP generally encourages people to follow the laws of their country whatever they would be.

Anyway, it's a trade - you can be with a bunch of loons, or deal with a few weird views on abortion/drugs/whatever. Personally, I think both parties are completely retarded in regard to these things - neither value science in the discussion, and that's about where I think it's an irrelevant selection criteria. If the Libertarian party wasn't fielding literal clowns like Gary, I'd have voted for them.

 

[shunyadragon]

The present day and the old party are the same, the racists have been in the party ever since. There was no "new anti-racist Democratic party", the party just decided they were going to go along with LBJ's strong-arming on the Civil Rights Act and pretend they weren't the same old racists. Only one openly racist party member defected to the Republicans, and some of these people have only died in the last 10 years. How is that for recent?

I really think it is disingenuous to represent that the party has changed, because it hasn't. The dialogue is the same - identity politics, ad infinitum. They may change which pawn they decided to play with in the next round of the game of chess, but that's all they did. Same terrible leadership, same boring and irrelevant shell game.

Alt-rightmania

 

[columbus]

The present day and the old party are the same, the racists have been in the party ever since.

Only one openly racist party member defected to the Republicans,

Maybe you're just too young to remember the 60's and the Southern Strategy. But that was when the party of Lincoln became the party of racism. I know, because I was there when it happened.
Tom

 

[Father Heathen]

The present day and the old party are the same, the racists have been in the party ever since. There was no "new anti-racist Democratic party", the party just decided they were going to go along with LBJ's strong-arming on the Civil Rights Act and pretend they weren't the same old racists. Only one openly racist party member defected to the Republicans, and some of these people have only died in the last 10 years. How is that for recent?

I really think it is disingenuous to represent that the party has changed, because it hasn't. The dialogue is the same - identity politics, ad infinitum. They may change which pawn they decided to play with in the next round of the game of chess, but that's all they did. Same terrible leadership, same boring and irrelevant shell game.

I think at this point I'll just smile and nod.

 

[Mindmaster]

Maybe you're just too young to remember the 60's and the Southern Strategy. But that was when the party of Lincoln became the party of racism. I know, because I was there when it happened.
Tom

Both of the mainstream parties court racists, because they don't actually care where they get their money. Blaming either for it specifically is a drastic over-simplification, since they both engage...

 

[osgart]

if it ain't gonna be unrestrained capitalism, nor watered down communism what's it going to be.

what's the New vision?

 

[Revoltingest]

Did he urge his party on the matter?

I don't know.
It's just hilarious that The Devil has virtues the angels lack.