"We need to make children to support the older generations"

[Estro Felino]

This is the mantra we have been hearing in the European Union...from politicians of any political hue.
Which makes me really mystified. Not to say disgusted.
I wonder if they are serious, or they are in bad faith. I'd say the second.

It defies every logical reasoning of macroeconomics. Because the older generations don't need someone who works for them: they can retire and have their own pensions; those pensions will make the economy function. Monetary circuit: the basics of macroeconomics.

I start to think that this is a big lie whose purpose is to convince the younger generations, even those people who have zero parental vocation, to make children.
But the aim is because the big Capitalists need more and more young slaves to exploit and underpay.
They couldn't care less about the elderly.

 

[crossfire]

"Cannon Fodder."

 

[Estro Felino]

"Cannon Fodder."

Right, I had forgotten. They also need young people to fight in their wars...so they can sip their cocktails in luxurious lounges, between casinos ans brothels, while the soldiers die in muddy battlefields.

And they even demand to go to Heaven.

 

[crossfire]

Right, I had forgotten. They also need young people to fight in their wars...so they can sip their cocktails in luxurious lounges, between casinos ans brothels, while the soldiers die in muddy battlefields.

And they even demand to go to Heaven.

Or to defend the homeland against invaders. (There is one invasion going on right now in their proverbial back yard.)

 

[Estro Felino]

Or to defend the homeland against invaders. (There is one invasion going on right now in their proverbial back yard.)

In a country there are usually 200,000 soldiers in the army.
Do we need more people?
Considering that young people are twenty or thirty millions?

 

[Estro Felino]

Whenever I watch such journalistic analyses, I remain speechless and angry at the same time:
are you guys serious? What is it? A joke?

 

[Revoltingest]

But the aim is because the big Capitalists need more and more young slaves to exploit and underpay.
They couldn't care less about the elderly.

Now your post gets to the meat of your theme,
ie, hating capitalism. Speaking on behalf of both
capitalists & the elderly, we care.

It has always been that the young support the old.
The real issue is how to support all of the elderly,
a portion of whom receive little to none.

What societies do you proffer as examples where
the young don't support the old?

 

[Estro Felino]

Now your post gets to the meat of your theme,
ie, hating capitalism. Speaking on behalf of both
capitalists & the elderly, we care.

It's the truth.
If there are very few births, and so fewer and fewer young workers, Capitalists will have to renounce their big profits, they cannot breathe without.

The truth is that, in a egalitarian society, everyone has a piece of land to grow, so there are neither exploiters nor exploited.

It has always been that the young support the old.

I was speaking of the pensions system, though.
These very excelsious, bright minds claim that we need workers to pay for retired people's pensions.

What is that? Comedy time? Are they serious?
Macroeconomics says otherwise: the pensions are paid for by the State, which has lots of assets and money.

The real issue is how to support all of the elderly,
a portion of whom receive little to none.

What societies do you proffer as examples where
the young don't support the old?

I was speaking of pensions.
We already have the younger people taking care of the elderly.

 

[Stevicus]

This is the mantra we have been hearing in the European Union...from politicians of any political hue.
Which makes me really mystified. Not to say disgusted.
I wonder if they are serious, or they are in bad faith. I'd say the second.

It defies every logical reasoning of macroeconomics. Because the older generations don't need someone who works for them: they can retire and have their own pensions; those pensions will make the economy function. Monetary circuit: the basics of macroeconomics.

I start to think that this is a big lie whose purpose is to convince the younger generations, even those people who have zero parental vocation, to make children.
But the aim is because the big Capitalists need more and more young slaves to exploit and underpay.
They couldn't care less about the elderly.

Looking at the overall population growth in the world, there still continues to be an increase, with plenty of children being born. But it's uneven, as the developing world shows higher birth rates than more developed areas which show population stagnation or even decline.

A common complaint I hear is that, as the Boomers retire, there aren't enough younger people to fill the jobs they used to do. The pandemic also exacerbated that situation, as many people chose early retirement rather than return to the office.

Then there are those who worry about being outnumbered or "replaced" by people who are of a different skin tone or speak a different language or come from a different culture.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Because the older generations don't need someone who works for them: they can retire and have their own pensions; those pensions will make the economy function. Monetary circuit: the basics of macroeconomics.

And you are convinced that every older person on the planet has an adequate pension? Even in those places where there isn't even food to eat today?

 

[Estro Felino]

Looking at the overall population growth in the world, there still continues to be an increase, with plenty of children being born. But it's uneven, as the developing world shows higher birth rates than more developed areas which show population stagnation or even decline.

It's paradoxical...indeed.
Because thanks to medicine, the mortality rate has collapsed.
As a consequence, the birth rates must collapse accordingly because the birth rate was much higher because of the high mortality rate.

In first world countries there has been a collapse of both the birth rate and the mortality rate. More or less proportioned.

In developing countries, the mortality rate has collapsed, but the birth rate has remained the same...which means, that the population is booming in those countries.

A common complaint I hear is that, as the Boomers retire, there aren't enough younger people to fill the jobs they used to do. The pandemic also exacerbated that situation, as many people chose early retirement rather than return to the office.

I have heard the exact opposite, actually.
That the production is more and more mechanized, so fewer and fewer people are needed.

Then there are those who worry about being outnumbered or "replaced" by people who are of a different skin tone or speak a different language or come from a different culture.

Maybe there are...but my point is about the problem of pensions:
as if we needed more babies so they will pay for old people's pensions in the future.

Which is absolutely absurd. The pension system is based upon the monetary circuit and the banking system.

 

[Estro Felino]

And you are convinced that every older person on the planet has an adequate pension? Even in those places where there isn't even food to eat today?

No, I m not.
and how do you think that can be fixed?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

No, I m not.
and how do you think that can be fixed?

For most of human history, it was "fixed" by younger generations supporting older ones. In the western world, it would seem, younger generations are a bit more selfish than that, uninterested in aiding the older generations who basically gave them 20-odd years of support for nothing.

 

[Estro Felino]

For most of human history, it was "fixed" by younger generations supporting older ones. In the western world, it would seem, younger generations are a bit more selfish than that, uninterested in aiding the older generations who basically gave them 20-odd years of support for nothing.

I was speaking of pensions, btw.
Of course young people support and help the elderly.

 

[Revoltingest]

It's the truth.

There are only opinions.
No one can claim "The Truth" because no one is inerrant.

If there are very few births, and so fewer and fewer young workers, Capitalists will have to renounce their big profits, they cannot breathe without.

With fewer young workers, any economic system
will falter....without technological advances that
make labor less required.

The truth is that, in a egalitarian society, everyone has a piece of land to grow, so there are neither exploiters nor exploited.

Egalitarianism is independent of economic system.

I was speaking of the pensions system, though.
These very excelsious, bright minds claim that we need workers to pay for retired people's pensions.

Do you believe that systems other than
capitalism don't need younger workers?

What is that? Comedy time? Are they serious?

What are you going on about now?

Macroeconomics says otherwise: the pensions are paid for by the State, which has lots of assets and money.

I was speaking of pensions.
We already have the younger people taking care of the elderly.

It's not clear what you're arguing for.
Just complaining about capitalism isn't interesting.

 

[Estro Felino]

With fewer young workers, any economic system
will falter....without technological advances that
make labor less required.

If there are fewer wrokers, they can demand fairer wages, and more humane working conditions.

Egalitarianism is independent of economic system.

Have you ever heard of maldistribution of property?
That is, too few people have too many pieces of land?

Do you believe that systems other than
capitalism don't need younger workers?

In the eighties we were 4 billion people less on this planet.
Was it worse? Or better?

 

[Revoltingest]

If there are less wrokers, they can demand fairer wages, and more humane working conditions.

That should be "fewer workers".

Have you ever heard of maldistribution of property?
That is, too few people have too many pieces of land?

In the eighties we were 4 billion people less on this planet.
Was it worse? Or better?

Changing the topic?
Not interesting enuf.

 

[Estro Felino]

That should be "fewer workers".

Sorry...in my language fewer and less is the same word.

Changing the topic?
Not interesting enuf.

The topic here is : some brilliant minds claim that we need to breed, because these babies will pay for the pensions of the elderly in the future.
Do you agree?
That's the topic.

 

[Revoltingest]

Sorry...in my language fewer and less is the same word.

The topic here is : some brilliant minds claim that we need to breed, because these babies will pay for the pensions of the elderly in the future.
Do you agree?
That's the topic.

I prefer population reduction.
If it means belt tightening for seniors, so be it.

 

[Estro Felino]

I prefer population reduction.
If it means belt tightening for seniors, so be it.

That's good.
So we agree on something.