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"We want to exterminate `Alawites" !!!!

Shia Islam

Quran and Ahlul-Bayt a.s.
Premium Member
no problem if Iran sent its revolutionary guard members into Syria to crush the revolution?
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Such claims show how incredible some of the factions involved in the crisis.

Let us use simple logic, will the Syrian regime, which has one of the strongest Armies in the region need some Iranian revolutionary guard members?!
 

Sahar

Well-Known Member
A hint about the origin and beliefs of the Nusayri/'Alawi sect (from a non Muslim source), if anyone is interested:
Before the twentieth century they were usually referred to as Nusayris, after their eponymous founder Ibn Nusayr, who lived in Iraq during the ninth century. Taking refuge in the mountains above the port of Latakia, on the coastal strip between modern Lebanon and Turkey, they evolved a highly secretive syncretistic theology containing an amalgam of Neoplatonic, Gnostic, Christian, Muslim, and Zoroastrian elements. Their leading theologian, Abdullah al-Khasibi, who died in 957, proclaimed the divinity of Ali, the Prophet Muhammad’s cousin and son-in-law, whom other Shiites revere but do not worship.
...Nusayrism could be described as a folk religion that absorbed many of the spiritual and intellectual currents of late antiquity and early Islam, packaged into a body of teachings that placed its followers beyond the boundaries of orthodoxy. Mainstream Muslims, both Sunni and Shia, regarded them as ghulta, “exaggerators.” Like other sectarian groups they protected their tradition by a strategy known as taqiyya — the right to hide one’s true beliefs from outsiders in order to avoid persecution. Taqiyya makes a perfect qualification for membership in the mukhabarat — the ubiquitous intelligence/security apparatus that has dominated Syria’s government for more than four decades. …

Nusayris believe in metempsychosis or transmigration. The souls of the wicked pass into unclean animals such as dogs and pigs, while the souls of the righteous enter human bodies more perfect than their present ones. The howls of jackals that can be heard at night are the souls of Sunni Muslims calling their misguided co-religionists to prayer.

It does not take much imagination to see how such beliefs, programmed into the community’s values for more than a millennium, and reinforced by customs such as endogamous marriage — according to which the children of unions between Nusayris and non-Nusayris cannot be initiated into the sect — create very strong notions of apartness and disdain for the “Other.”
The page has more details about their history in Syria: Syria's Ruling Alawite Sect - NYTimes.com
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Father Heathen, I have noticed that you respond to many conflicts abroad by saying something like this. I think this kind of response is unhelpful and a misdirection of outrage. Those pictures are horrific and tragic, but your comments seem to dehumanize an entire nation or ethnicity of people, which is a mistake, particularly when the victims fall under the same dehumanizing umbrella. Let us not forget that almost every country has committed violence against civilians, and the goal is to end the violence, not dismiss its perpetrators (and victims) as animals.

I'm not talking about "an entire nation or ethnicity". I'm talking about the individuals directly responsible for deliberately aiming their weapons at a child's head and blowing their brains out. No amount of mewling is going to excuse them.
 

Sahar

Well-Known Member
Such claims show how incredible some of the factions involved in the crisis.]
Again what does this mean? Would this make the call for toppling the brutal tyrannical regime unnecessary? The right of Syrians to defend themselves less legitimate?
BTW, you ignore most of my points, I don't know why.

Let us use simple logic, will the Syrian regime, which has one of the strongest Armies in the region need some Iranian revolutionary guard members?!
Using the same simple logic, what are the Iranian and Russian warships doing in the Syrian sea, you think?
Iran Warns U.S. as Syria Intensifies Crackdown

Do you really think that the regime in Syria don't need the utmost help and support of their close allies namely Iran and Hezbullah in a situation that threaten their rule and persistence? Do you think that the Iranian regime won't try to protect the persistence of Al-Asad's rule as possible as they can? Will the Iranians stand still in the face of such danger?
 
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