We Will Be Caught Up to Meet the Lord in the Air at the First Resurrection

[FFH]

I Thessalonians 4:17 (Joseph Smith Inspired Version)
Then they who are alive, shall be caught up together into the clouds with them who remain, to meet the Lord in the air; and so shall we be ever with the Lord.

Doctrine and Covenants 88
96 And the saints that are upon the earth, who are alive, shall be quickened and be caught up to meet him.
97 And they who have slept in their graves shall come forth, for their graves shall be opened; and they also shall be caught up to meet him in the midst of the pillar of heaven—
98 They are Christ’s, the first fruits, they who shall descend with him first, and they who are on the earth and in their graves, who are first caught up to meet him; and all this by the voice of the sounding of the trump of the angel of God.

Doctrine and Covenants 27: 18
And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of my Spirit, which I will pour out upon you, and my word which I reveal unto you, and be agreed as touching all things whatsoever ye ask of me, and be faithful until I come, and ye shall be caught up, that where I am ye shall be also. Amen.

Doctrine and Covenants 76: 102
Last of all, these all are they who will not be gathered with the saints, to be caught up unto the church of the Firstborn (FFH's note: first resurrection), and received into the cloud.

Doctrine and Covenants 101: 31
And when he dies he shall not sleep, that is to say in the earth, but shall be changed in the twinkling of an eye, and shall be caught up, and his rest shall be glorious.

Doctrine and Covenants 109: 75
That when the trump shall sound for the dead, we shall be caught up in the cloud to meet thee, that we may ever be with the Lord;

Revelation 12: 5
And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

 

[Watchmen]

I love figurative language.

 

[FFH]

I love figurative language.

Not a suprising statement coming from someone who believes the same about the Book of Mormon.

Everything in the Book of Mormon LITERALLY happened and will happen once again (near total destruction) and so will the catching away of the saints of God happen (as the city of Enoch was translated) prior to the final destruction of this world and it's inhabitants. Haiti was a warning from the Lord to the world of what will happen if we don't keep the Lord's commandments.

Resurrection or destruction, take your pick.

I choose resurrection/salvation/eternal life with the Lord and his saints.

I'm done with this world, it's too messed up, time to be with the Lord once again forever eternally in his presence, in the Morning of the First Resurrection, which will happen VERY soon, time to get ready, put oil in your lamps (keep the commandments, get closer to the Lord, pray, fast, repent).

 

[Watchmen]

Not a suprising statement coming from someone who believes the same about the Book of Mormon.

Everything in the Book of Mormon LITERALLY happened and will happen once again (near total destruction) and so will the catching away of the saints of God happen (as the city of Enoch was translated) prior to the final destruction of this world and it's inhabitants. Haiti was a warning from the Lord to the world of what will happen if we don't keep the Lord's commandments.

Resurrection or destruction, take your pick.

I choose resurrection/salvation/eternal life with the Lord and his saints.

I'm done with this world, it's too messed up, time to be with the Lord once again forever eternally in his presence, in the Morning of the First Resurrection, which will happen VERY soon, time to get ready, put oil in your lamps (keep the commandments, get closer to the Lord, pray, fast, repent).

That you would bring Haiti into it really makes me wish you were done with this world.

Although, it's not a surprising statement coming from someone who does not go to Church, but seeks out false prophets on youtube instead.

 

[FFH]

That you would bring Haiti into it really makes me wish you were done with this world.

Although, it's not a surprising statement coming from someone who does not go to Church, but seeks out false prophets on youtube instead.

Doctrine and Covenants 38: 41
And let your preaching be the warning voice, every man to his neighbor, in mildness and in meekness.

Doctrine and Covenants 88: 81
Behold, I sent you out to testify and warn the people, and it becometh every man who hath been warned to warn his neighbor.

Just as Noah was ridiculed for building a ship to save his family from the flood/death/complete destruction of the world, so too will those who preach escapism (First Resurrection doctrine/catching away of the saints) from this world, prior to it's destruction, be ridiculed.

See this link: First Second Third and Fourth Watch (Joseph Smith Inspired Version)

I'm not preaching Utube doctrine, I'm preaching straight from our very own scriptures that so many refuse to read, ponder and pray about.

 

[Watchmen]

Doctrine and Covenants 38: 41
And let your preaching be the warning voice, every man to his neighbor, in mildness and in meekness.

Doctrine and Covenants 88: 81
Behold, I sent you out to testify and warn the people, and it becometh every man who hath been warned to warn his neighbor.

Just as Noah was ridiculed for building a ship to save his family from the flood/death/complete destruction of the world, so too will those who preach escapism (First Resurrection doctrine/catching away of the saints) from this world, prior to it's destruction, be ridiculed.

See this link: First Second Third and Fourth Watch (Joseph Smith Inspired Version)

I'm not preaching Utube doctrine, I'm preaching straight from our very own scriptures that so many refuse to read, ponder and pray about.

What you get from the scriptures and what the prophets get from the scriptures are two very different things. Who should we listen to? Those with a direct line to God, or the inactive, youtube watching, holier-than-thou FFH?

 

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[FFH]

What you get from the scriptures and what the prophets get from the scriptures are two very different things. Who should we listen to? Those with a direct line to God, or the inactive, youtube watching, holier-than-thou FFH?

Ah, come on, Utube's got some good quality stuff, you're missin' out man.


Cockatiel Sings Andy Griffith Song

 

[FFH]

What you get from the scriptures and what the prophets get from the scriptures are two very different things. Who should we listen to?

Okay, I'll call you out on this one Watchmen, give me the official LDS stance on these opening post scriptures.

Your position on these scriptures (figurative not literal) is not LDS doctrine and you claim my position (literal not figurative) is against LDS church teachings/official doctrine.

Prove your point is valid, that the LDS church's position on these opening post scriptures are different from mine.

My postion: The opening post scriptures are LITERAL NOT FIGURATIVE.

Show me ONE LDS general authority that has stated that these OPENING POST SCRIPTURES are FIGURATIVE NOT LITERAL.

You won't be able to find anything from their mouths backing up your position Watchmen.

I've called you out on it, now back up what you claim to be true, that these scriptures are only figurative and have no LITERAL meaning and that your position is official LDS doctrine or an official LDS church stance on this subject.

 

[FFH]

Watchmen...

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We should not be angry or in despair, in these last days, especially if we pay our tithing.

Doctrine and Covenants 64: 23
Behold, now it is called today until the coming of the Son of Man, and verily it is a day of sacrifice, and a day for the tithing of my people; for he that is tithed shall not be burned at his coming.

Doctrine and Covenants 85: 3
It is contrary to the will and commandment of God that those who receive not their inheritance by consecration, agreeable to his law, which he has given, that he may tithe his people, to prepare them against the day of vengeance and burning, should have their names enrolled with the people of God.

Luke 21: 28
And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

Doctrine and Covenants 35: 26
Lift up your hearts and be glad, your redemption draweth nigh.

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[Watchmen]

You think those verses refer to the rapture. The rapture has no place in LDS doctrine.

 

[FFH]

You think those verses refer to the rapture. The rapture has no place in LDS doctrine.

No, they refer to the Morning and Afternoon of the First Resurrection (second and third watch), just before Christ removes the wicked from the earth and sets up his kingdom on the earth for 1000 years.

Again see this link: First Second Third and Fourth Watch (Joseph Smith Inspired Version)

I'm not going refer to it as the rapture anymore, since it's not a biblical term.

The church of the Firstborn (first resurrection saints) will be caught up. I'll only use biblical terms like this from here on out.

Doctrine and Covenants 76: 102
Last of all, these all are they who will not be gathered with the saints, to be caught up unto the church of the Firstborn (FFH's note: first resurrection), and received into the cloud.

 

[Watchmen]

No, they refer to the Morning and Afternoon of the First Resurrection, just before Christ removes the wicked from the earth and sets up his kingdom on the earth for 1000 years.

Oh - that's good to hear. So, you no longer believe in the rapture? Or, if you do, how is the rapture different or similar to the First Resurrection?

 

[prewrathrapturist]

The rapture has no place in LDS doctrine.

The bible say's Jesus is our Deliverer who Delivers/Rescues (saves) us from the wrath to come.

...wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead--Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath.
1 Thessalonians 1:10

 

[FFH]

Oh - that's good to hear. So, you no longer believe in the rapture? Or, if you do, how is the rapture different or similar to the First Resurrection?

Oh, that's choice, just as I say I'm not going to use the term rapture anymore, someone signs up for the forum and chooses PreWrathRapturist as their username and posts his beliefs, complete with the scene of the First Resurrection as his avatar.

The Lord directs all things for our good, we only think we're in control, but the Lord controls all things.

The Lord will deliver us from the wrath to come, by resurrecting our bodies into his presence once again, for all eternity, forever to be with him, then we will RETURN to earth WITH Jesus Christ to set up HIS DIVINE MIRACULOUS KINGDOM, the NEW JERUSALEM upon the AMERICAN continent.

The New Jerusalem will descend out of heaven, just as the city of Enoch ASCENDED INTO heaven, so will the city of Enoch and the New Jerusalem descend out of heaven onto earth once again.

Moses 7: 63 (LDS scripture)
63 And the Lord said unto Enoch: Then shalt thou and all thy city meet them (FFH's note: us/First Resurrection saints/church of the Firstborn) there, and we will receive them into our bosom, and they shall see us; and we will fall upon their necks, and they shall fall upon our necks, and we will kiss each other;

I'm not going to use the term rapture anymore, I'm done with it.

Rapture will be replaced with...
Translated
Resurrected
Caught up
Second and Third Watch

 

[FFH]

Moses 7 (LDS scripture)

60 And the Lord said unto Enoch: As I live, even so will I come in the last days, in the days of wickedness and vengeance, to fulfil the oath which I have made unto you concerning the children of Noah;

61 And the day shall come that the earth shall rest, but before that day the heavens shall be darkened, and a veil of darkness shall cover the earth; and the heavens shall shake, and also the earth; and great tribulations shall be among the children of men, but my people will I preserve;

62 And righteousness will I send down out of heaven; and truth will I send forth out of the earth, to bear testimony of mine Only Begotten; his resurrection from the dead; yea, and also the resurrection of all men; and righteousness and truth will I cause to sweep the earth as with a flood, to gather out mine elect from the four quarters of the earth, unto a place which I shall prepare, an Holy City, that my people may gird up their loins, and be looking forth for the time of my coming; for there shall be my tabernacle, and it shall be called Zion, a New Jerusalem.

63 And the Lord said unto Enoch: Then shalt thou and all thy city meet them there, and we will receive them into our bosom, and they shall see us; and we will fall upon their necks, and they shall fall upon our necks, and we will kiss each other;

64 And there shall be mine abode, and it shall be Zion, which shall come forth out of all the creations which I have made; and for the space of a thousand years the earth shall rest.

65 And it came to pass that Enoch saw the day of the coming of the Son of Man, in the last days, to dwell on the earth in righteousness for the space of a thousand years;

66 But before that day he saw great tribulations among the wicked; and he also saw the sea, that it was troubled, and men’s hearts failing them, looking forth with fear for the judgments of the Almighty God, which should come upon the wicked.

67 And the Lord showed Enoch all things, even unto the end of the world; and he saw the day of the righteous, the hour of their redemption, and received a fulness of joy;

68 And all the days of Zion, in the days of Enoch, were three hundred and sixty-five years.

69 And Enoch and all his people walked with God, and he dwelt in the midst of Zion; and it came to pass that Zion was not, for God received it up into his own bosom; and from thence went forth the saying, Zion is Fled.

 

[FFH]

Oh - that's good to hear. So, you no longer believe in the rapture? Or, if you do, how is the rapture different or similar to the First Resurrection?

Christian Rapture (We're taken to heaven to meet the Lord there)
LDS Second Coming (Christ comes to earth and meets us here)

Scriptural View (Saints taken to be with the Lord at the First Resurrection, THEN we return to earth WITH Jesus Christ TO earth to set up HIS kingdom on a newly changed Terrestrial (paradisaical) earth.

We go up for a time while the wicked are removed from the earth (sin and suffering sent back to hell where it came from).

 

[Watchmen]

The bible say's Jesus is our Deliverer who Delivers/Rescues (saves) us from the wrath to come.

...wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead--Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath.
1 Thessalonians 1:10

And that has what to do with the rapture?

 

[prewrathrapturist]

And that has what to do with the rapture?

Watchman,

I didn't realize this was a LDS thread. It would be an effort in futility to discuss biblical doctrine when another book, "The Book of Mormon" will be considered as the final authority to interpretation.

Respectfully...

 

[FFH]

And that has what to do with the rapture?

He's just sayin' we'll escape the wrath to come, by being part of the First Resurrection. Truth is, we'll barely ("hardly") escape the wrath that will come upon the earth. In other words, we'll get out of her just in the nick of time, just before it all goes bad, if we are found worthy to escape, during the Morning or Afternoon of the First Resurrection (Church of the Firstborn).

Doctrine and Covenants 63: 34
And the saints also shall hardly (FFH's note: barely) escape (FFH's note: First Resurrection); nevertheless, I, the Lord, am with them, and will come down in heaven from the presence of my Father and consume the wicked with unquenchable fire.

In other words, when it looks like it's all comin' down, we'll be gone in a blink ("twinkling") of an eye.

1 Corinthians 15: 52
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump (FFH's note: First Resurrection trumpet call): for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be dchanged.

3 Nephi 28: 8
And ye shall never endure the pains of death; but when I shall come in my glory ye shall be changed in the twinkling of an eye from mortality to immortality; and then shall ye be blessed in the kingdom of my Father.

Doctrine and Covenants 43: 32
And he that liveth in righteousness shall be changed in the twinkling of an eye, and the earth shall pass away so as by fire.

Doctrine and Covenants 63: 51
Wherefore, children shall grow up until they become old; old men shall die; but they shall not sleep in the dust, but they shall be changed in the twinkling of an eye.

Doctrine and Covenants 101: 31
And when he dies he shall not sleep, that is to say in the earth, but shall be changed in the twinkling of an eye, and shall be caught up, and his rest shall be glorious.