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Well done Nancy Pelosi.

paradox

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Let's put it this way.

Would you prefer Communist China as a new dominant superpower and world influencer?
Regardless of which country becomes dominant in the world one day it will be hated just like any dominant power in history, that's the price of being dominant.

That being said, who ever whishes China to prevail in pursuit for dominance, it does so not because they want Communism but rather because of dislike of the US hegemony.

So if a politician visits another nation that must be understood as an act of war?
Are you trying to avoid some facts on how war in Ukraine started?
Some things has become well known and there is no much point to act anymore.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
How is provocating and drawing countries into war not being bully?
You seem to be contradictory to yourself.

Who do you claim we provoked? Not Russia which is controlled by a dictator and wants to conquer all the nations that were part of the Soviet Union. Not China. Not DPRK.
 

Koldo

Outstanding Member
Are you trying to avoid some facts on how war in Ukraine started?
Some things has become well known and there is no much point to act anymore.

As in what actually started the war as in Russia sending soldiers and firing missiles at February 24?
 

Suave

Simulated character
China won't.

They know what will happen to them if they do.
The US Air Force simulated a war game against China last autumn, and the results were unsettling for Washington.

The US Air Force simulated a highly classified war game over Taiwan last year, and the way it ended unnerved America's military establishment.

The war game created a future scenario in which a Chinese biological-weapon attack could sweep through American bases and warships in the Indo-Pacific region.

The future confrontation would continue for more than a decade, likely ending with the US on the receiving end of a loss, according to the classified report published by Yahoo News.

The war game carried out by the US has leaked for the first time since the outbreak of the coronavirus pandemic, which spread to the USS Theodore Roosevelt aircraft carrier and took the US Navy’s most important unit temporarily out of commision.

In the midst of war simulation, actual Chinese combat aircraft crossed the median line in the Taiwan Strait in the direction of Taipei 40 times and carried out simulated attacks on the island. It was called “disturbing” by the Taiwan premier.

Amid escalating tension between Washington and Beijing, China’s air force released a video showing a bomb attack on the US Andersen Air Force Base on the US Pacific island of Guam.

The Chinese propaganda video was titled: “The god of war H-6K [bomber] goes on the attack!”

Just four days after President Joe Biden took office, China launched simulated missile attacks on the USS Roosevelt carrier.

On Tuesday, Phil Davidson, the top US admiral for Asia-Pacific, said the US military needs more long-range weaponry in the western Pacific, including ground-based arms.

“A wider base of long-range precision fires, which are enabled by all our terrestrial forces - not just sea and air but by land forces as well - is critically important to stabilize what is becoming a more unstable environment in the western Pacific,” Admiral Phil Davidson told a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing.

Davidson cited enthusiasm by the Army and Marine Corps “to embrace some of the capabilities that the Navy and Air Force have already developed.”

The Biden administration has said the United States intends to compete with China’s growing influence and military strength in the Asia-Pacific. The Pentagon is carrying out a review of its strategy in the region.

Davidson cited enthusiasm by the Army and Marine Corps “to embrace some of the capabilities that the Navy and Air Force have already developed.”

Source: TRT World War games suggest the US will lose fast if it confronts China (trtworld.com)
 

paradox

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Who do you claim we provoked? Not Russia which is controlled by a dictator and wants to conquer all the nations that were part of the Soviet Union. Not China. Not DPRK.
I once heard similar statement that the US did not declare any wars since 1942, with the aim to say that the US doesn't attack anyone, yet for some odd reason it is involved in all sorts of wars since then.
I'm therefore not surprised by your rhetoric.

But be honest and tell who provoked anti government demonstrations in Kiev in 2014?

As in what actually started the war as in Russia sending soldiers and firing missiles at February 24?
Nobody is buying this rhetoric anymore, it all started in 2014.
 

Suave

Simulated character
So if a politician visits another nation that must be understood as an act of war?

Please let us realize Taiwan is not a nation!

1. Neither the U.S, nor the U.N. recognize Tawain as being a country,
2, Few nations recognize Tawain as being a sovereign country.
3. The ROC is the remnant of an unfinished civil with the PRC. The ROC fled to Tawain after being defeated on mainland China by the PRC.
4, China's and Tawain's Constitution stipulate they are together as "One China"

Taiwan is not a Country (even if you wish really hard)

 

paradox

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Ah. You mean when Russia seized the supreme concil. Ok. What about it?
No I mean when the US establishment come to share cookies in Kiev, which resulted in revolution and departure or legally elected president which ended in installment of puppet president Poroshenko.
 

Koldo

Outstanding Member
Please let us realize Taiwan is not a nation!

1. Neither the U.S, nor the U.N. recognize Tawain as being a country,
2, Few nations recognize Tawain as being a sovereign country.
3. The ROC is the remnant of an unfinished civil with the PRC. The ROC fled to Tawain after being defeated on mainland China by the PRC.
4, China's and Tawain's Constitution stipulate they are together as "One China"

Taiwan is not a Country (even if you wish really hard)


What are we supposed to call it then?
Taiwan has its' own president and government, and it is not ruled by China.
 

Koldo

Outstanding Member
No I mean when the US establishment come to share cookies in Kiev, which resulted in revolution and departure or legally elected president which ended in installment of puppet president Poroshenko.

Even if true, what part of that would justify the annexation of Crimea by Russia?
 

paradox

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Even if true, what part of that would justify the annexation of Crimea by Russia?
Crimea is inhabited by Russians and was won over by then Russian empire before Ukraine even existed.
Originally it was inhabited by Tatars but never by Ukrainians or "Kyevan Rus" people.

Beside that those Russians living there wanted to join Russia not because of Russian threat but rather due to tyranny from newly installed US centric government in Kiev which whished to forbid Russian language and practically deal with minority as some sort of serfs, which is the reason why they openly voted to join Russia.
 

Koldo

Outstanding Member
Crimea is inhabited by Russians and was won over by then Russian empire before Ukraine even existed.

Doesn't matter. If a lot of mexicans get to live somewhere in the US, is Mexico justified in taking it?
No matter the reason, taking away a part of any country is AN ACT OF WAR.

Originally it was inhabited by Tatars but never by Ukrainians or "Kyevan Rus" people.

Doesn't matter who was originally there.

Beside that those Russians living there wanted to join Russia not because of Russian threat but rather due to tyranny from newly installed US centric government in Kiev which whished to forbid Russian language and practically deal with minority as some sort of serfs, which is the reason why they openly voted to join Russia.

What US centric government? Yanukovych??
 

paradox

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Doesn't matter. If a lot of mexicans get to live somewhere in the US, is Mexico justified in taking it?
No matter the reason, taking away a part of any country is AN ACT OF WAR.
Then the US should return Texas back to Mexico, and all the lands back to natives, don't you agree?
I mean taking land from people isn't OK, right?

The only land that is truly American is Alaska which they legally bought.

Doesn't matter who was originally there.
That is for your information so that you see Crimea was never Ukrainian or how ever did they call them self trough history.

What US centric government? Yanukovych??
No Yanukovych had to depart, after him, Poroshenko.
 

Suave

Simulated character
What are we supposed to call it then?
Taiwan has its' own president and government, and it is not ruled by China.
Perhaps we may agree with currently referring to Taiwan as the Separatist Republic Island Province of China, or SEPRIPOC for short

Why the US Protects Taiwan

 
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Koldo

Outstanding Member
Then the US should return Texas back to Mexico, and all the lands back to natives, don't you agree?
I mean taking land from people isn't OK, right?

The only land that is truly American is Alaska which they legally bought.

That is for your information so that you see Crimea was never Ukrainian or how ever did they call them self trough history.

It became part of Ukraine just after the Soviet Union collapsed.
Or 1954 if you are counting Ukrainian SSR as Ukraine.
So how exactly can you say it was never ukrainian??

No Yanukovych had to depart, after him, Poroshenko.

The annexation of Crimea didn't happen during Poroshenko's presidency. It happened before he even had been elected. So, how exactly was his presidency responsible for people voting to join Russia?
 

paradox

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It became part of Ukraine just after the Soviet Union collapsed.
Or 1954 if you are counting Ukrainian SSR as Ukraine.
So how exactly can you say it was never ukrainian??
Obviously that was the deal in exchange for soviet nuclear arsenal that was on their territory.

However, Ukraine whished that the US deploy nuclear weapons to country, therefore ukies broke the deal and thus there was no reason that the other side should continue to respect the deal.

The annexation of Crimea didn't happen during Poroshenko's presidency. It happened before he even had been elected. So, how exactly was his presidency responsible for people voting to join Russia?
You're right, I'm off by 2 months but this doesn't prove my point wrong:
In February and March 2014, Russia annexed the Crimean Peninsula from Ukraine. This event took place in the aftermath of the Revolution of Dignity
Annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation - Wikipedia

"Revolution dignity" which was incited by the US, didn't yet install Poroshenko until 7th June, only 2 months later.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
The US Air Force simulated a war game against China last autumn, and the results were unsettling for Washington.

The US Air Force simulated a highly classified war game over Taiwan last year, and the way it ended unnerved America's military establishment.

The war game created a future scenario in which a Chinese biological-weapon attack could sweep through American bases and warships in the Indo-Pacific region.

The future confrontation would continue for more than a decade, likely ending with the US on the receiving end of a loss, according to the classified report published by Yahoo News.

The war game carried out by the US has leaked for the first time since the outbreak of the coronavirus pandemic, which spread to the USS Theodore Roosevelt aircraft carrier and took the US Navy’s most important unit temporarily out of commision.

In the midst of war simulation, actual Chinese combat aircraft crossed the median line in the Taiwan Strait in the direction of Taipei 40 times and carried out simulated attacks on the island. It was called “disturbing” by the Taiwan premier.

Amid escalating tension between Washington and Beijing, China’s air force released a video showing a bomb attack on the US Andersen Air Force Base on the US Pacific island of Guam.

The Chinese propaganda video was titled: “The god of war H-6K [bomber] goes on the attack!”

Just four days after President Joe Biden took office, China launched simulated missile attacks on the USS Roosevelt carrier.

On Tuesday, Phil Davidson, the top US admiral for Asia-Pacific, said the US military needs more long-range weaponry in the western Pacific, including ground-based arms.

“A wider base of long-range precision fires, which are enabled by all our terrestrial forces - not just sea and air but by land forces as well - is critically important to stabilize what is becoming a more unstable environment in the western Pacific,” Admiral Phil Davidson told a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing.

Davidson cited enthusiasm by the Army and Marine Corps “to embrace some of the capabilities that the Navy and Air Force have already developed.”

The Biden administration has said the United States intends to compete with China’s growing influence and military strength in the Asia-Pacific. The Pentagon is carrying out a review of its strategy in the region.

Davidson cited enthusiasm by the Army and Marine Corps “to embrace some of the capabilities that the Navy and Air Force have already developed.”

Source: TRT World War games suggest the US will lose fast if it confronts China (trtworld.com)
I doubt it.

But it's true that you don't get overconfident and underestimate any enemy out there.

Still, America is good at war. Very good.
 

esmith

Veteran Member
I sure hope sodium-ion batteries durable enough to replace lithium-ion batteries can be developed soon in order to power all the electric vehicles we'd like for replacing millions of global warming internal combustion engine powered vehicles. Meanwhile, other than China, where else are we going to obtain the lithium and rare earth metals we need in order for us transitioning from using climate changing energy emitting catastrophic global warming gases to utilizing environmentally friendly renewable sources of energy?
And just where is the average American public going to get the money to buy your EV's?
They can hardley afford groceries and housing let alone purchasing a new car.
 
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Koldo

Outstanding Member
Obviously that was the deal in exchange for soviet nuclear arsenal that was on their territory.

However, Ukraine whished that the US deploy nuclear weapons to country, therefore ukies broke the deal and thus there was no reason that the other side should continue to respect the deal.

You're right, I'm off by 2 months but this doesn't prove my point wrong:

Annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation - Wikipedia

"Revolution dignity" which was incited by the US, didn't yet install Poroshenko until 7th June, only 2 months later.

I am not sure I follow your point.
Let's say the US was responsible for fomenting the Revolution of Dignity, which happened in Ukraine. How is that an act of war against Russia? (And how exactly does that justify Russia going to war against Ukraine by choosing to annex Crimea?)
 
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