"We're a family here." - Corporations to their employees

[Shadow Wolf]

Give honest reviews. Put'm on a PIP (performance
improvement plan). Monitor performance, & give
honest feedback. That's the way....IMO.

You sound too reasonable to be an employer. At best a low level shift manager who's preference for honesty gets more out of me than the ****nut who tried to give my shifts away and tried to get me fired for not doing my job after she told me I could leave early and she'd handle things for me.

 

[Revoltingest]

You sound too reasonable to be an employer.

I hire only contractors now.
If ever I needed an employee, I'd rent one
from agency. Let them do all the difficult
legal work, & provide benefits.

At best a low level shift manager who's preference for honesty gets more out of me than the ****nut who tried to give my shifts away and tried to get me fired for not doing my job after she told me I could leave early and she'd handle things for me.

 

[Alien826]

I don't like that advice. A friend's company fired
a gal for cause, but she was given good reviews
as encouragement. The good reviews were the
worst mistake ever.

That's not quite what they were saying. The advice was to give a person a good review if they were NOT being fired.

Give honest reviews. Put'm on a PIP (performance
improvement plan). Monitor performance, & give
honest feedback. That's the way....IMO.

I agree, but what I reported did happen. On reflection, the person giving the talk seemed to be only approaching it from the pov of avoiding claims from ex employees.

At the same place (a hospital) during the orientation meetings we were told to avoid certain things, like not putting out a warning sign after mopping a floor. It went "That's because ..." You know how your mind moves ahead to anticipate what someone is going to say? I thought it would be "... someone might get hurt". In fact it was "... someone might sue the hospital". It was at that point I realized that this "temple of healing" I thought I had joined was only interested in money, like all (well most) companies.

 

[Secret Chief]

No, I just used your good shirt to clean up the mess.

The one with the bed bugs then.

 

[Revoltingest]

That's not quite what they were saying. The advice was to give a person a good review if they were NOT being fired.

Ya never know who you'll fire at some later date.
I discovered that.

I agree, but what I reported did happen. On reflection, the person giving the talk seemed to be only approaching it from the pov of avoiding claims from ex employees.

At the same place (a hospital) during the orientation meetings we were told to avoid certain things, like not putting out a warning sign after mopping a floor. It went "That's because ..." You know how your mind moves ahead to anticipate what someone is going to say? I thought it would be "... someone might get hurt". In fact it was "... someone might sue the hospital". It was at that point I realized that this "temple of healing" I thought I had joined was only interested in money, like all (well most) companies.

Being sued is an awful experience.
It hits home more than someone
else being injured.
And remember....there are many
professional suers out there making
false claims.

 

[JustGeorge]

The one with the bed bugs then.

You really need some new clothes.

 

[Secret Chief]

You really need some new clothes.

Well you know my measurements.

 

[JustGeorge]

Well you know my measurements.

You're funny shaped, and I can't afford tailor made.

 

[Secret Chief]

You're funny shaped, and I can't afford tailor made.

I prefer the word "characterful" than "funny shaped."

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

The Scandinavian countries are about it. Granted America does tend to be worked to the point of over work, which makes work less productive, but lots of Americans, especially in Heartland/Flyover America, the only way they know how to live is work. Many even use work as a coping method by working as much as they can to not think about or deal with what's bothering them (this, of course, doesn't work and has a potential to add to the destruction).

That sounds like a nightmare of a life, far from a happy one.... More like the life of a surf.

 

[Twilight Hue]

That's what they want you to think. But when you're really good at your job you do become irreplaceable, because they won't easily find someone who does as much and does it as well, amd when you're irreplaceable a big issue for companies is you have some weight to push with, because no the next person won't be replacing the worker and will merely be filling in an empty position.

That's completely b*******. Companies view you as a unit of labor , that's how they classify you and they could care less if you're good or not as long as you maintain a minimum standard of productivity people who go beyond that are simply not recognized the way you might think they are.

Might get a couple of candies , movie ticket, or maybe a pen set for years of untiring service.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I don't like that advice. A friend's company fired
a gal for cause, but she was given good reviews
as encouragement. The good reviews were the
worst mistake ever.
Give honest reviews. Put'm on a PIP (performance
improvement plan). Monitor performance, & give
honest feedback. That's the way....IMO.

Absolutely, in the UK it is illegal to give an untruthful reference or assesment. You could find yourself open to charges of perjury if untruthful statements come to court. Lies always come back to bite you when you least expect it. Or like Trump has shown it is difficult to remember a lie.

 

[Twilight Hue]

When I costed most jobs I would allow 20% unproductive time. This usually worked out to be somewhere near the truth. Lots of things can happen during the day that are not planned even if the workers are conscientious. And the job well planned. Some times you can get as low as 5% lost time, but it would be risky to bet on it. Jobs entailing lots of activity stops and starts will be worse still.

Will that formula apply to managers and senior executives, and perhaps even the owner?

My Philosophy is you lead by example or not lead at all.

 

[Revoltingest]

Absolutely, in the UK it is illegal to give an untruthful reference or assesment. You could find yourself open to charges of perjury if untruthful statements come to court. Lies always come back to bite you when you least expect it. Or like Trump has shown it is difficult to remember a lie.

Here, it wouldn't be perjury because
a review isn't legal testimony.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

That's completely b*******. Companies view you as a unit of labor , that's how they classify you and they could care less if you're good or not as long as you maintain a minimum standard of productivity people who go beyond that are simply not recognized the way you might think they are.

Might get a couple of candies , movie ticket, or maybe a pen set for years of untiring service.

Give your boss one of the top crews in a multinational company, make him look stellae and improve things so well you get him out the door hours sooner then you too can tell your boss to **** off when he lies and threaten to leave for the day and do it when he's sabatoging efforts to salvage an extremely bad day.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

That sounds like a nightmare of a life, far from a happy one.... More like the life of a surf.

That tends to describe it for most. Amd, yes, a life dedicated to work is miserable.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Here, it wouldn't be perjury because
a review isn't legal testimony.

It can be if entered into evidence

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Will that formula apply to managers and senior executives, and perhaps even the owner?

My Philosophy is you lead by example or not lead at all.

It applies to all activity . However executive hours would be considered more as an overhead in most costings and would be added as such to all estimates.

Even owners are subject to unproductive time as when moving from place to place, or when forced to wait

Though a friend of mine, who was the local director of a large print media company, had to log in detail his entire day, as did everyone else in the company. this was used to reconcile chargeable hours with estimates. But I would find such a thing excessively onerous, but like anything else I suppose you get used to doing it soon enough. In fact when I moved to my final job before retirement, I suggested to my company that they. sold my department lock stock and barrel and staff, to his company with a supply contract for five years., which in fact they did a year later.

 

[Revoltingest]

It can be if entered into evidence

It's not perjury if the lie occurred prior to
becoming an issue before the court.

If I were prosecuted for posting that you love
Taylor Swift, I could be prosecuted for that crime,
but it wasn't perjury at the moment uttered.
And by the time it's presented in court, it's
merely evidence of a past act...still not perjury.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

It's not perjury if the lie occurred prior to
becoming an issue before the court.

If I were prosecuted for posting that you love
Taylor Swift, I could be prosecuted for that crime,
but it wasn't perjury at the moment uttered.
And by the time it's presented in court, it's
merely evidence of a past act...still not perjury.

An untruth is still an untruth when ever it was uttered. You can not rely on an untruth in court.