Were in the bible does it say to love all sinners?

[Frank Goad]

Were in the bible does it say to love all sinners?

 

[Eddi]

See Romans 5: 8

 

[Spice]

Matthew 5:44-47

 

[dybmh]

Gut response:

Leviticus 19:18 + 1 John 1:8

"Love your fellow as you love yourself" and "acknowledge that you, yourself, are a sinner"

Therefore, all sinners are to be loved as one loves themself.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

Hi everyone

I'm new to the Forum.
There are two general meanings for the term "sinners".
In one sense, we all are sinners, so every text that refers to love another person implies that we love sinners.
In another sense, sinners refer to wicked people who deliberately and systematically oppose God. For a person who seeks to serve God, the company or communion with those people is not advisable... not possible. However, even in this situation, the believer is expected to love them, since Jesus said "Love your enemies".

 

[InChrist]

Hi everyone

I'm new to the Forum.
There are two general meanings for the term "sinners".
In one sense, we all are sinners, so every text that refers to love another person implies that we love sinners.
In another sense, sinners refer to wicked people who deliberately and systematically oppose God. For a person who seeks to serve God, the company or communion with those people is not advisable... not possible. However, even in this situation, the believer is expected to love them, since Jesus said "Love your enemies".

Welcome.
I appreciate the clarity of your response.

 

[Spice]

Hi everyone

I'm new to the Forum.
There are two general meanings for the term "sinners".
In one sense, we all are sinners, so every text that refers to love another person implies that we love sinners.
In another sense, sinners refer to wicked people who deliberately and systematically oppose God. For a person who seeks to serve God, the company or communion with those people is not advisable... not possible. However, even in this situation, the believer is expected to love them, since Jesus said "Love your enemies".

Welcome.
I believe Paul recommended staying clear. In Matthew 5:38-48 Jesus says:
38“You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic,h let him have your cloak as well. 41And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you.
43“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47And if you greet only your brothers,i what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

And in Matthew 10:16-22 In speaking with his disciples, he tells followers how to interact: 16“Behold, I am sending you out as sheep in the midst of wolves, so be wise as serpents and innocent as doves. 17Beware of men, for they will deliver you over to courts and flog you in their synagogues, 18and you will be dragged before governors and kings for my sake, to bear witness before them and the Gentiles. 19When they deliver you over, do not be anxious how you are to speak or what you are to say, for what you are to say will be given to you in that hour. 20For it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you. 21Brother will deliver brother over to death, and the father his child, and children will rise against parents and have them put to death, 22and you will be hated by all for my name’s sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.
To love your enemies, as a help to them and not just a saving grace for one's self, you must know them.

Namaste
Good to have you on board.

 

[YoursTrue]

Gut response:

Leviticus 19:18 + 1 John 1:8

"Love your fellow as you love yourself" and "acknowledge that you, yourself, are a sinner"

Therefore, all sinners are to be loved as one loves themself.

So -- here's how I also see it: if, let's say, I know a person is a thief. I might warn them that there is a God who is watching and who cares what they do. One reason could be in that example is that I believe God does not want that person to steal and also that he could get in trouble with the law of the land. (That's only one example...of loving others and God in my opinion.) How do you see it?

 

[YoursTrue]

Hi everyone

I'm new to the Forum.
There are two general meanings for the term "sinners".
In one sense, we all are sinners, so every text that refers to love another person implies that we love sinners.
In another sense, sinners refer to wicked people who deliberately and systematically oppose God. For a person who seeks to serve God, the company or communion with those people is not advisable... not possible. However, even in this situation, the believer is expected to love them, since Jesus said "Love your enemies".

Hi also. Hope you enjoy the board. (Some people are easier than others to get along with...)

 

[wellwisher]

Romans 5;13 Sin is not imputed where there is no law.

If a group of people decided to make a new law, such as the proper use of pronouns, they just created a new sin out of thin air. It was not a sin yesterday, but now a new sin can and will be imputed, because we just made a new law with punishment and everything. In this case, there is no sin against God by ignoring the law, just a sin against the laws of man or woman.

Matthew 10:36; And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

This is referring to clan and clique laws and even individual philosophy. This might be OK if a person or group agrees for their group identity; secret handshake. But when it is applied to others, who do not wish to play, than one is making a law to create artificial sin, as a pretense to be a bully, thereby sinning against the law of God. It is better to ignore those, from the other group, who may not follow this manmade sin. You turn the other cheek; ignore them, if they decide to wear white after Labor Day, even if this is a cardinal fashion sin.

Foes of your own household are based on your beliefs and using these like laws to judge others. This keeps people divided. The political Left and Right or the Religious and Atheist each have different ways. Often each judge the others by the enemies of your own household; belief system, sort of imposing your group law and sins, based on that code, when it is better to live and let live; turn the other cheek.

The Mosiac law had Ten Commandments the rest are sort of clannish sins that are not really sins in the divine sense. Often the enforcement of manmade law and the imputed sin, will violate one of more of the original 10. A few year ago, US Federal law allowed people who were drug dealer to have their possessions stolen if they were caught; artificial sin used as a pretense to break divine law.

Jesus reduces the Divine law requirement even further to just 2 rules; Love God and Love your neighbor, with the rest not needed for the good person. The law was not made for the righteous man, but for the sinners. In this case, Jesus was speaking of rituals such as preparing Kosher food. This was/is a practical method that makes the food prep more sanitary. However, many people would forget about the original practical; cause and effect, and make it a blind ritual, that if not followed, was a sin in itself. The man who loved his neighbor would explain the upside and therefore why it is done this way. The sinner will yell and strike.

Matthew 15;11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man, but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.”

The Gentiles eating with unwashed hands may be unsanitary, but it was not a sin. But an angry outburst, by the tongue, for a blind rule violation, was the real sin.

James 3:5-6 (NIV)"The tongue is a small part of the body, but it makes great boasts. Consider what a great forest is set on fire by a small spark. The tongue also is a fire, a world of evil among the parts of the body.

The most evil part of the body is the tongue; negative talking; lies, gossips, maliciousness, propaganda, disinformation, etc. This is often where people judge each other, by their own philosophies and ambitions. It can set the world ablaze. Paranoid people can use the tongue to instigate new law and sin to target other groups. Often it takes good con artists; forked tongue of the hypocrite, who work for Satan.

I believe there are good and evil people in all groups. The good can accept what they believe. They are not personally offended if others believe differently; to each their own household. The evil will judge others by their own rules, maybe as a way to over compensate for doubt. Holding the tongue and counting to 10; turn the other cheek, is often a good way to diffuse the spark, less it grow and start a fire.

 

[Balthazzar]

There's a lot of places that suggest loving our neighbors to be of utmost importance. There's also places that tell us to hate evil. Knowing human nature and what happens often enough when people get a little too mistreated, I can see how the lines blur and loving neighbors who cause evil becomes more like harbored rage with just enough holding some people back to not send them to the dirt. But, when too much becomes too much and we've done all we can do to bear the burdens of the neighbors who cause us so much evil, people break and falter and fall short like we all sometimes do. At least this much is truly expected. We all fall short. Anyway, I guess it comes down to separating actions from those who are responsible for them, which is difficult. Can you love your "evil" neighbor, yourself, your family, your community and not address the evils the neighbor causes? How is love involved in that scenario? Blurred lines and human nature with a plethora of consequences following in our wakes seems to be the common standard.

 

[YoursTrue]

There's a lot of places that suggest loving our neighbors to be of utmost importance. There's also places that tell us to hate evil. Knowing human nature and what happens often enough when people get a little too mistreated, I can see how the lines blur and loving neighbors who cause evil becomes more like harbored rage with just enough holding some people back to not send them to the dirt. But, when too much becomes too much and we've done all we can do to bear the burdens of the neighbors who cause us so much evil, people break and falter and fall short like we all sometimes do. At least this much is truly expected. We all fall short. Anyway, I guess it comes down to separating actions from those who are responsible for them, which is difficult. Can you love your "evil" neighbor, yourself, your family, your community and not address the evils the neighbor causes? How is love involved in that scenario? Blurred lines and human nature with a plethora of consequences following in our wakes seems to be the common standard.

Oftentimes people do the most heinous things, yet when caught and prosecuted their families might say how unfair the law is and do not speak against his sin.

If a group of people decided to make a new law, such as the proper use of pronouns, they just created a new sin out of thin air. It was not a sin yesterday, but now a new sin can and will be imputed, because we just made a new law with punishment and everything. In this case, there is no sin against God by ignoring the law, just a sin against the laws of man or woman.



This is referring to clan and clique laws and even individual philosophy. This might be OK if a person or group agrees for their group identity; secret handshake. But when it is applied to others, who do not wish to play, than one is making a law to create artificial sin, as a pretense to be a bully, thereby sinning against the law of God. It is better to ignore those, from the other group, who may not follow this manmade sin. You turn the other cheek; ignore them, if they decide to wear white after Labor Day, even if this is a cardinal fashion sin.

Foes of your own household are based on your beliefs and using these like laws to judge others. This keeps people divided. The political Left and Right or the Religious and Atheist each have different ways. Often each judge the others by the enemies of your own household; belief system, sort of imposing your group law and sins, based on that code, when it is better to live and let live; turn the other cheek.

The Mosiac law had Ten Commandments the rest are sort of clannish sins that are not really sins in the divine sense. Often the enforcement of manmade law and the imputed sin, will violate one of more of the original 10. A few year ago, US Federal law allowed people who were drug dealer to have their possessions stolen if they were caught; artificial sin used as a pretense to break divine law.

Jesus reduces the Divine law requirement even further to just 2 rules; Love God and Love your neighbor, with the rest not needed for the good person. The law was not made for the righteous man, but for the sinners. In this case, Jesus was speaking of rituals such as preparing Kosher food. This was/is a practical method that makes the food prep more sanitary. However, many people would forget about the original practical; cause and effect, and make it a blind ritual, that if not followed, was a sin in itself. The man who loved his neighbor would explain the upside and therefore why it is done this way. The sinner will yell and strike.


The Gentiles eating with unwashed hands may be unsanitary, but it was not a sin. But an angry outburst, by the tongue, for a blind rule violation, was the real sin.



The most evil part of the body is the tongue; negative talking; lies, gossips, maliciousness, propaganda, disinformation, etc. This is often where people judge each other, by their own philosophies and ambitions. It can set the world ablaze. Paranoid people can use the tongue to instigate new law and sin to target other groups. Often it takes good con artists; forked tongue of the hypocrite, who work for Satan.

I believe there are good and evil people in all groups. The good can accept what they believe. They are not personally offended if others believe differently; to each their own household. The evil will judge others by their own rules, maybe as a way to over compensate for doubt. Holding the tongue and counting to 10; turn the other cheek, is often a good way to diffuse the spark, less it grow and start a fire.

There are so-called laws (or rules) imposed here, sometimes not applying to the rulers. You think?

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

There's a lot of places that suggest loving our neighbors to be of utmost importance. There's also places that tell us to hate evil. Knowing human nature and what happens often enough when people get a little too mistreated, I can see how the lines blur and loving neighbors who cause evil becomes more like harbored rage with just enough holding some people back to not send them to the dirt. But, when too much becomes too much and we've done all we can do to bear the burdens of the neighbors who cause us so much evil, people break and falter and fall short like we all sometimes do. At least this much is truly expected. We all fall short. Anyway, I guess it comes down to separating actions from those who are responsible for them, which is difficult. Can you love your "evil" neighbor, yourself, your family, your community and not address the evils the neighbor causes? How is love involved in that scenario? Blurred lines and human nature with a plethora of consequences following in our wakes seems to be the common standard.

Here are my two cents

Perhaps, in the context where Jesus pronounced the commandment "Love your enemies", love and hate were more about doing good or bad things to people, than to experiencing feelings.
This view is supported by the way Jesus explains how to express that love (if someone asks you to walk a mile with him, walk a second mile).

The compassionate love that resembles God's love of all His children is something we may develop little by little by the action of the Holy Spirit, but it was not the immediate concern of Jesus.
Jesus was concerned about poor people not killing rich people... Jews not killing Roman soldiers or tax collectors or Samaritans, etc.

 

[Balthazzar]

Here are my two cents

Perhaps, in the context where Jesus pronounced the commandment "Love your enemies", love and hate were more about doing good or bad things to people, than to experiencing feelings.
This view is supported by the way Jesus explains how to express that love (if someone asks you to walk a mile with him, walk a second mile).

The compassionate love that resembles God's love of all His children is something we may develop little by little by the action of the Holy Spirit, but it was not the immediate concern of Jesus.
Jesus was concerned about poor people not killing rich people... Jews not killing Roman soldiers or tax collectors or Samaritans, etc.

I'd be hard pressed to disagree. This doesn't change our nature nor the expectation and acknowledgement that we all fall short from time to time. What we leave in our wakes from our actions and treatment is where growth is made via consequence. It's not pleasant nor desired, but then Hebrew 12 says a thing or two about the necessity of these experiences. Rules expectations and consequence all for a better future and life experience. Ya, it sucks sometimes but ... No one ever said life was easy.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

Hi, @Balthazzar

I'm not in full command of English language, so I sometimes have problems to understand some words or sentences. My apologies in advance. Could you explain or paraphrase your sentence "What we leave in our wakes from our actions and treatment is where growth is made via consequence"?

 

[YoursTrue]

I'd be hard pressed to disagree. This doesn't change our nature nor the expectation and acknowledgement that we all fall short from time to time. What we leave in our wakes from our actions and treatment is where growth is made via consequence. It's not pleasant nor desired, but then Hebrew 12 says a thing or two about the necessity of these experiences. Rules expectations and consequence all for a better future and life experience. Ya, it sucks sometimes but ... No one ever said life was easy.

What might change our actions is just what @Pancho Frijoles cited. And for some it could take a longer while than for others to apply the principle.

 

[YoursTrue]

Hi, @Balthazzar

I'm not in full command of English language, so I sometimes have problems to understand some words or sentences. My apologies in advance. Could you explain or paraphrase your sentence "What we leave in our wakes from our actions and treatment is where growth is made via consequence"?

I don't want to get too funny because some people don't like it, and of course, I don't want to offend them, but I have a pretty good comprehension of the English language and even I don't understand what @Balthazzar said. I hope he explains it, but sometimes, just as a little help, I think some here enjoy making things "beyond comprehension." Not saying that means Balthazzar. As the colloquial expression goes--"Just sayin'." (Nice having you on board...) P.S. Your English is great considering it's not your "mother tongue."

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

P.S. Your English is great considering it's not your "mother tongue."

Muchas gracias. Saludos desde México!

 

[Balthazzar]

Hi, @Balthazzar

I'm not in full command of English language, so I sometimes have problems to understand some words or sentences. My apologies in advance. Could you explain or paraphrase your sentence "What we leave in our wakes from our actions and treatment is where growth is made via consequence"?

We make mistakes, we pay for our mistakes because every action and choice has a consequence, whether pleasant or unpleasant. Others are forced to endure our mistakes also. My nation has a 30 plus trillion dollar deficit. We pay for that deficit as will those who come after us. The term wake is being utilized to define that which follows our choices and actions.

 

[YoursTrue]

There's a lot of places that suggest loving our neighbors to be of utmost importance. There's also places that tell us to hate evil. Knowing human nature and what happens often enough when people get a little too mistreated, I can see how the lines blur and loving neighbors who cause evil becomes more like harbored rage with just enough holding some people back to not send them to the dirt. But, when too much becomes too much and we've done all we can do to bear the burdens of the neighbors who cause us so much evil, people break and falter and fall short like we all sometimes do. At least this much is truly expected. We all fall short. Anyway, I guess it comes down to separating actions from those who are responsible for them, which is difficult. Can you love your "evil" neighbor, yourself, your family, your community and not address the evils the neighbor causes? How is love involved in that scenario? Blurred lines and human nature with a plethora of consequences following in our wakes seems to be the common standard.

Oftentimes people do the most heinous things, yet when caught and prosecuted their families might say how unfair the law is and do not speak against his sin.