Were in the bible does it say to love all sinners?

[YoursTrue]

Muchas gracias. Saludos desde México!

de nada. (That's about where my conversation stops in Spanish. But thank you anyway!)

 

[Balthazzar]

I don't want to get too funny because some people don't like it, and of course, I don't want to offend them, but I have a pretty good comprehension of the English language and even I don't understand what @Balthazzar said. I hope he explains it, but sometimes, just as a little help, I think some here enjoy making things "beyond comprehension." Not saying that means Balthazzar. As the colloquial expression goes--"Just sayin'." (Nice having you on board...) P.S. Your English is great considering it's not your "mother tongue."

The Hebrew 12 reference connotes being disciplined as children and being trained from consequence for our betterment even though it is sometimes difficult to accept discipline as something beneficial. We learn from our mistakes to put it simply.

 

[YoursTrue]

We make mistakes, we pay for our mistakes because every action and choice has a consequence, whether pleasant or unpleasant. Others are forced to endure our mistakes also. My nation has a 30 plus trillion dollar deficit. We pay for that deficit as will those who come after us. The term wake is being utilized to define that which follows our choices and actions.

Makes a person wonder about the "sinfulness" of leaders of nations, doesn't it? I don't wonder--because Jesus' prayer makes a lot of sense to me, "Let your kingdom come..."

 

[Balthazzar]

Oftentimes people do the most heinous things, yet when caught and prosecuted their families might say how unfair the law is and do not speak against his sin.

Agreed ... Would you deny that people are sometimes so badly treated that that treatment warrants a severe return? We don't live in a world that always accommodates peaceful relations. Sometimes a severe return of treatment is required for love of self, family, and community in an effort to end the abusive treatment itself. It's a fact of life. My original post was aimed in that direction as it relates to loving our neighbors and sinful people who cause us evil or harm. Turning the cheek only pays our insurance premiums for so long.

 

[YoursTrue]

The Hebrew 12 reference connotes being disciplined as children and being trained from consequence for our betterment even though it is sometimes difficult to accept discipline as something beneficial. We learn from our mistakes to put it simply.

I will personalize this: before I knew God, or believed in God, I did some things I would not do now. Not because of my conscience, but because God set guidelines for me. How do you feel about that?

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

We make mistakes, we pay for our mistakes because every action and choice has a consequence, whether pleasant or unpleasant. Others are forced to endure our mistakes also. My nation has a 30 plus trillion dollar deficit. We pay for that deficit as will those who come after us. The term wake is being utilized to define that which follows our choices and actions.

Yes, that's true.
We can't escape from consequences, and that's why every action matters.
Fairly enough, even bad actions can have in the long term good consequences. We can learn.

I love the scene of Robert De Niro in "Awakenings" where he's starting to have a seizure and the only thing he thinks about is to ask his doctor (Robin Williams) to videotape the seizure so that he can learn from it. "Learn! Learn!" he screams.
Well, that's to me an expression of love. Love for humankind, for life, for his doctor.

 

[Balthazzar]

I will personalize this: before I knew God, or believed in God, I did some things I would not do now. Not because of my conscience, but because God set guidelines for me. How do you feel about that?

That would be a cultural and/or personal decision associated with the relationship between you and your teacher or law maker. I simply attempt to be of some benefit and help where I'm able, stand when I must, and endure until it's done.

 

[Balthazzar]

Yes, that's true.
We can't escape from consequences, and that's why every action matters.
Fairly enough, even bad actions can have in the long term good consequences. We can learn.

I love the scene of Robert De Niro in "Awakenings" where he's starting to have a seizure and the only thing he thinks about is to ask his doctor (Robin Williams) to videotape the seizure so that he can learn from it. "Learn! Learn!" he screams.
Well, that's to me an expression of love. Love for humankind, for life, for his doctor.

Learn is a mandate associated with life.

 

[YoursTrue]

Agreed ... Would you deny that people are sometimes so badly treated that that treatment warrants a severe return? We don't live in a world that always accommodates peaceful relations. Sometimes a severe return of treatment is required for love of self, family, and community in an effort to end the abusive treatment itself. It's a fact of life. My original post was aimed in that direction as it relates to loving our neighbors and sinful people who cause us evil or harm. Turning the cheek only pays our insurance premiums for so long.

OK, let me put it this way -- we all learn. Some learn the hard way and others may be not so the hard way. Maybe their parents did not mistreat them physically or mentally. I don't know. Because I know my background, what I learned before I knew God (not much) and what I learned afterwards. A lot about conscience and God and which way I should walk. For instance, in reference to your comment, a person might have a friend or relative who wastes money and then needs money and asks for a loan. But the loan is never paid back. That's one scenario.

 

[Spice]

Agreed ... Would you deny that people are sometimes so badly treated that that treatment warrants a severe return? We don't live in a world that always accommodates peaceful relations. Sometimes a severe return of treatment is required for love of self, family, and community in an effort to end the abusive treatment itself. It's a fact of life. My original post was aimed in that direction as it relates to loving our neighbors and sinful people who cause us evil or harm. Turning the cheek only pays our insurance premiums for so long.

I spent 30+ years in retail and never got any pleasure out of detaining shoplifters, nor firing employees who stole, but it had to be done. And I must say it was appreciated by the community, by which my store assignments were not in "desirable neighborhoods." Many mother and grandmother personally thanked me for being fair with their wayward offspring. The homeless, prostitutes, addicts, etc gave respect when given respect, and generally caused little ruckus when caught at need overruling their better judgment.
So please, all. When you see someone doing wrong, first remember they are someone's child, and they belong to God.

 

[Balthazzar]

OK, let me put it this way -- we all learn. Some learn the hard way and others may be not so the hard way. Maybe their parents did not mistreat them physically or mentally. I don't know. Because I know my background, what I learned before I knew God (not much) and what I learned afterwards. A lot about conscience and God and which way I should walk. For instance, in reference to your comment, a person might have a friend or relative who wastes money and then needs money and asks for a loan. But the loan is never paid back. That's one scenario.

The Lords prayer in action and intent? I understand the position. I live that position myself, but insurance premiums are costly and there's a time and place for all things. Balance in the storms of life and making every effort for peaceful resolutions is the only way I know how to operate. Patience, perseverance, determination, and long suffering but an evil unanswered is an evil accepted, so the premiums are more about the insurance and less about acceptance of the evils themselves.

 

[YoursTrue]

That would be a cultural and/or personal decision associated with the relationship between you and your teacher or law maker. I simply attempt to be of some benefit and help where I'm able, stand when I must, and endure until it's done.

Sometimes the decision about our own choice is out of our hands. For instance, I might choose to not hurt my unknown neighbor if called by the government to go to war, and it is possible the government decides (chooses) to impose a penalty on me.

 

[YoursTrue]

I spent 30+ years in retail and never got any pleasure out of detaining shoplifters, nor firing employees who stole, but it had to be done. And I must say it was appreciated by the community, by which my store assignments were not in "desirable neighborhoods." Many mother and grandmother personally thanked me for being fair with their wayward offspring. The homeless, prostitutes, addicts, etc gave respect when given respect, and generally caused little ruckus when caught at need overruling their better judgment.
So please, all. When you see someone doing wrong, first remember they are someone's child, and they belong to God.

It is nice you were kind. And I'm glad you weren't physically hurt by anyone you stopped.

 

[YoursTrue]

The Lords prayer in action and intent? I understand the position. I live that position myself, but insurance premiums are costly and there's a time and place for all things. Balance in the storms of life and making every effort for peaceful resolutions is the only way I know how to operate. Patience, perseverance, determination, and long suffering but an evil unanswered is an evil accepted, so the premiums are more about the insurance and less about acceptance of the evils themselves.

OK. So again -- (yes, insurance premiums are rising astronomically in my area and are so hard to afford for some that they stop paying insurance) -- there is so much thievery and corruption at so many levels that it is reasonable to pray and understand what the Lord's prayer means for mankind.

 

[Spice]

It is nice you were kind. And I'm glad you weren't physically hurt by anyone you stopped.

Oh I was physically hurt a time or two, but I had good judgment on which ones to not approach. LOL

 

[YoursTrue]

I spent 30+ years in retail and never got any pleasure out of detaining shoplifters, nor firing employees who stole, but it had to be done. And I must say it was appreciated by the community, by which my store assignments were not in "desirable neighborhoods." Many mother and grandmother personally thanked me for being fair with their wayward offspring. The homeless, prostitutes, addicts, etc gave respect when given respect, and generally caused little ruckus when caught at need overruling their better judgment.
So please, all. When you see someone doing wrong, first remember they are someone's child, and they belong to God.

Which makes me think that in some stores articles are kept under lock and key. And sometimes the thief gets caught like if they break in and maybe they go to jail, maybe they don't. Sometimes the perpetrator reforms in jail or prison, sometimes they don't. Sometimes in certain cases like murder the death penalty is imposed.

 

[Spice]

Which makes me think that in some stores articles are kept under lock and key. And sometimes the thief gets caught like if they break in and maybe they go to jail, maybe they don't. Sometimes the perpetrator reforms in jail or prison, sometimes they don't. Sometimes in certain cases like murder the death penalty is imposed.

That takes the original thought of Jesus's saying 'don't turn from evil' a bit down the road, but it's a reminder that he also said to visit those in prison. That's clearly another reminder to be loving and compassionate even to those who might be considered your enemy.

 

[YoursTrue]

That takes the original thought of Jesus's saying 'don't turn from evil' a bit down the road, but it's a reminder that he also said to visit those in prison. That's clearly another reminder to be loving and compassionate even to those who might be considered your enemy.

Yes, that's a good point. I try to help everyone I meet especially with the consideration of the "good news" about God, our lives and Jesus, and so yes, you're reminding me of something very important (Like not wasting time with nay-sayers who constantly put down, refuse to admit their beliefs about God as if they keep it hidden.) Good thought there, Spice!