Were Jesus and Muhammad insane?

[Cobol]

I personally don't think neither Jesus nor Muhammad ever existed, but if they did wouldn't they be considered lunatics or having a delusional disorder, or grandiose delusions that occur in people suffering from a wide range of psychiatric diseases, including schizophrenia. These patients are characterized by bizarre beliefs that one is omnipotent or powerful. These delusions typically are religious and supernatural.

So considering the preposterous things they said, wouldn't they be considered insane?

 

[Raahim]

In modern days this would be the opinion of many and it would be much harder for prophets such as Yeshua عليه السلام and Muhammad عليه السلام to reach the masses with their teachings. And what's bizarre in belief that there is one source of everything?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Stupid question. If they were clinically psychotic or had schizophrenia, they wouldn't have been able to function. Experts have tested the historical evidence of such figures as St. Joan of Arc to see if she fits a diagnosis and found that she doesn't fit the criteria, either.

And where are you getting that psychosis is "typically religious or supernatural"?

 

[Cobol]

And where are you getting that psychosis is "typically religious or supernatural"?

Grandiose delusions are typically religious and supernatural, if you do just a little bit of research you would know this.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Grandiose delusions are typically religious and supernatural, if you do just a little bit of research you would know this.

I think I've done more research on the topic of mental illness than you. If you had, you wouldn't have made such a stupid thread in the first place.

Now, do you have evidence or not? I mean, research articles and the like.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Nobody fanatically follows a sane person.

 

[Raahim]

Grandiose delusions are typically religious and supernatural, if you do just a little bit of research you would know this.

Just because those are typical symptoms doesn't mean they had them, they are considered prophets on more than just speaking to the people.

 

[Cobol]

Here is one.

Religion, Spirituality, and Schizophrenia: A Review

 

[Cobol]

and three more, and there are many more if you would like me to link them.

Delusions Of Grandeur: Causes, Symptoms, Treatment

Positive Symptoms of Schizophrenia: The Psychotic Dimension

Imperfect Cognitions: Delusions in the DSM 5
https://www.mentalhelp.net/articles/positive-symptoms-of-schizophrenia-the-psychotic-dimension/

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Here is one.

Religion, Spirituality, and Schizophrenia: A Review

That article doesn't say what you think it does. Did you just quickly Google something like "religion and schizophrenia" and post the first link that popped up without bothering to read it?

 

[Cobol]

I've posted four links to articles which state a connection between religion and grandiose delusions.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

and three more, and there are many more if you would like me to link them.

Delusions Of Grandeur: Causes, Symptoms, Treatment

Positive Symptoms of Schizophrenia: The Psychotic Dimension

Imperfect Cognitions: Delusions in the DSM 5

So you know how to Google. That's nice. Since you're a psychiatrist, examine your patients and see if you can diagnose them with any of the conditions that can cause delusions. They did it with St. Joan of Arc, as I mentioned. Now you do it with Christ and Muhammad, doctor.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I've posted four links to articles which state a connection between religion and grandiose delusions.

A "connection" isn't the same as "typically", as you claim in your OP. Try again. Or don't. You're already failing so badly.

 

[Cobol]

That article doesn't say what you think it does. Did you just quickly Google something like "religion and schizophrenia" and post the first link that popped up without bothering to read it?

You must have not read the whole article to say that.

 

[Cobol]

A "connection" isn't the same as "typically", as you claim in your OP. Try again. Or don't. You're already failing so badly.

Your just in a state of denial. It's obvious.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

You must have not read the whole article to say that. Ive posted a total of four articles or studies that state a connection between delusional disorders and religion.

I did read the whole article. You obviously didn't. The article, in the section about religious beliefs and psychopathology, is talking about how religion as a cultural influence can play a part in the manifestation of psychosis. It varies by culture and sect, as can be expected. It also talks about how religion is a positive influence in the patient's life and actually helps with treatment. The recommendation in the article is for those treating patients to become more culturally sensitive to their patient's religious beliefs and to integrate a whole-person approach to treatment. So you just shot yourself in the foot. Good job.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Your just in a state of denial. It's obvious.

Not my fault I actually take the time to read through articles before posting them, unlike you. You're the one posting articles that refute your own dumb claims. Don't get mad at me. Lol.

 

[Cobol]

t also talks about how religion is a positive influence in the patient's life and actually helps with treatment.

Thats irrelevant to the topic. Your just trying to interpose something that doesn't connect. I'm not mad, you just don't have an argument.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Thats irrelevant to the topic. Your just trying to interpose something that doesn't connect.

You're just mad because you posted a scientific article that doesn't come to the conclusions you wish it did, because you didn't even bother to read it before posting it. Get over it. You're the one who posted it in the first place. I had to tell you want the damn thing says!

 

[Rival]

I love reading arguments I've never read before I am neither a Christian nor a Muslim but this **** is old.