Western extremists violence consequences VS Muslims extremists violence consequences in recent histo

[Godobeyer]

Problem is, when you use the term western, you're putting everyone in the same box. We are individuals and hold different ideas.

Maybe the media reflects one idea particularly and some people do swallow their message and I pity them for being foolish (and feel for Muslims having to deal with them) but personally I've never equated crimes done by terrorists to Muslims being bad.

My friend is probably one of the most loving, smilling and peaceful person I know and she's a Muslim, very much against any terrorism, regardless of who done it. And so am I. We're both "western".

I'd rather think of all of us being humans, all humans have done good and bad... If we ever had contact with aliens I wonder if we'd be proud or ashamed when we tell them about us (I'm more inclined towards the latter, unfortunately).

Indeed you right , I am glade that i hear this message from western girl

because i get provoked by theard and some posts .

I just want to send a message by this thread , that we the Muslims , had extremist and intern problems , as you had before .
and humanity get suffered from the occupation and slavery and racist in the recent past .

 

[Godobeyer]

You should probably ask them, since I'm neither a supporter nor a member of the Muslim Brotherhood. Not sure why you're asking me this question.

I just remember that you was against the new revolution (against the Muslims brotherhood failing) in Egypt against Morsi .

I'm not in the business of referring to a large group of nations that consists of over a billion people as one homogenous entity (i.e., "western" or "the West") when discussing their supposed views. You're going to have to specify which "western" person/people you're talking about here.

My message to any western whom put 100% blame on the Muslims (extremist deeds or civil war) , and ignore that they had bad history with each other (WW2) and they had bad history with other nations too .

There's no contradiction that I can see; a logical fallacy is still a logical fallacy regardless of how many people commit it or who commits it.

I see contradition , when you said two wrongs don't make right .
because i see no relation ,because i don't justify the crimes that done by our extremists or the crimes that done by their extremists, to HIDE the other

I compare the consequences .

 

[Debater Slayer]

I just remember that you was against the new revolution (against the Muslims brotherhood failing) in Egypt against Morsi .

I don't consider it a "revolution," and I'm still against it. One need not support the Muslim Brotherhood to see that the Egyptian junta have certainly proved they are bloodthirsty tyrants every time they were faced with serious opposition or protest.

My message to any western whom put 100% blame on the Muslims (extremist deeds or civil war) , and ignore that they had bad history with each other (WW2) and they had bad history with other nations too .


I see contradition , when you said two wrongs don't make right .
because i see no relation ,because i don't justify the crimes that done by our extremists or the crimes that done by their extremists, to HIDE the other

I compare the consequences .

I didn't say you did. I just see no real point in such comparisons, because I don't buy into the notion that there are "our extremists" and "their extremists" (which seems to associate the extremists with normal people). There are extremists and supporters thereof everywhere, and then there are the regular, peaceful people who oppose them regardless of where they come from or which religion they claim to follow.

 

[Godobeyer]

I don't consider it a "revolution," and I'm still against it. One need not support the Muslim Brotherhood to see that the Egyptian junta have certainly proved they are bloodthirsty tyrants every time they were faced with serious opposition or protest.

Why you are against it , if you are not a fan of Muslim Brotherhood ?

at what you mentioned by 'Tyrants" ?

what about if this situation continous to worst , and same situation of Syria happened in Egypt , and "Mujahideen" comes to Egypt to fight the "criminal" army , would you agree with that ?

I didn't say you did. I just see no real point in such comparisons, because I don't buy into the notion that there are "our extremists" and "their extremists" (which seems to associate the extremists with normal people). There are extremists and supporters thereof everywhere, and then there are the regular, peaceful people who oppose them regardless of where they come from or which religion they claim to follow.

Indeed there is comparisons points , "comparation between the consequences of our extermists deeds , their extremists deeds in history "

if we count , there is abosultly great difference rate .

 

[psychoslice]

I completely understand and agree with your point,
We're all as bad as each other.

However, That doesn't mean we dismiss what is happening now, Just because we may have done something similar in the past.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Good reply, I was going to say the very same thing.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Why you are against it , if you are not a fan of Muslim Brotherhood ?

at what you mentioned by 'Tyrants" ?

what about if this situation continous to worst , and same situation of Syria happened in Egypt , and "Mujahideen" comes to Egypt to fight the "criminal" army , would you agree with that ?

I'm against it because military-led governments in Egypt have constantly proved they are incapable of running the country without suppressing opposition and increasing corruption, poverty, and economic instability in the country. That's why I referred to the current Egyptian junta as tyrants.

I wouldn't agree with any sort of violence that could lead to civil war, which is precisely why I don't think military generals should be in power instead of civilians.

But you did bring up an interesting and relevant point: look at the current state of certain Middle Eastern countries like Libya and Syria. Internal conflicts and civil wars in those two countries alone have led to tens of thousands of casualties among civilians and massive property damage as well. Most of the fighting in those two places isn't done by "the West"; it's carried out by local tribes and factions seeking to wipe each other out.

Since this thread is in a discussion forum, though, I won't get into further debate about this here, but we can continue debating the topic elsewhere if you start a thread about it in a debate forum section.

Indeed there is comparisons points , "comparation between the consequences of our extermists deeds , their extremists deeds in history "

if we count , there is abosultly great difference rate .

I don't think it's so black-and-white, because things are rarely so clear-cut as to be determined by mere statistics. But as I said above, we can continue debating this in an appropriate forum section if you feel like starting a thread about it.

 

[Godobeyer]

first of all sorry for my late reply

I'm against it because military-led governments in Egypt have constantly proved they are incapable of running the country without suppressing opposition and increasing corruption, poverty, and economic instability in the country. That's why I referred to the current Egyptian junta as tyrants.

so in the first revolution the military take control and remove Hosni Mobarek too !!!

I wouldn't agree with any sort of violence that could lead to civil war, which is precisely why I don't think military generals should be in power instead of civilians.

But you did bring up an interesting and relevant point: look at the current state of certain Middle Eastern countries like Libya and Syria. Internal conflicts and civil wars in those two countries alone have led to tens of thousands of casualties among civilians and massive property damage as well. Most of the fighting in those two places isn't done by "the West"; it's carried out by local tribes and factions seeking to wipe each other out.

So NATO (especialy France ) don't revolved in Libya ?

and The west don't support the rebels and terrorists in Syria ?

Since this thread is in a discussion forum, though, I won't get into further debate about this here, but we can continue debating the topic elsewhere if you start a thread about it in a debate forum section.

I don't think it's so black-and-white, because things are rarely so clear-cut as to be determined by mere statistics. But as I said above, we can continue debating this in an appropriate forum section if you feel like starting a thread about it

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