What About 'Whataboutism'?

[Cooky]

You're so old school.

It's just what meets my fancy. That's all.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I would suggest that "whataboutism" or "tu quoque" would only be legitimately criticized and rejected in a court of law, where defendant A is on trial for some sort of criminal offense. If the only issue at hand is defendant A's guilt or innocence, then whataboutism would not be a relevant or valid defense.

Of course "whataboutism" isn't a valid defense in name, but established court precedence is. If A's lawyer can present to the judge that C did the same thing, then C's actions and rulings made in that case do become relevant. Court, I would argue, is the best and strongest application of tu quoque as it helps create uniformity in the application of law and a court case is basically a philosophical debate. Outside of court using it is typically used as a way of basically just trying to change the subject.

 

[Estro Felino]

Of course "whataboutism" isn't a valid defense in name, but established court precedence is. If A's lawyer can present to the judge that C did the same thing, then C's actions and rulings made in that case do become relevant. Court, I would argue, is the best and strongest application of tu quoque as it helps create uniformity in the application of law and a court case is basically a philosophical debate. Outside of court using it is typically used as a way of basically just trying to change the subject.

no...accusing someone of something you do yourself isn't changing the subject.
It is the double standards situation.

Like when you accuse me of misogyny because you feel superior to me , so you are entitled to do that.
But I cannot accuse you of misandry....because I cannot do what you feel entitled to do.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Like when you accuse me of misogyny because you feel superior to me

I've accused you of misogyny because you've said some very misogynistic things.

 

[Estro Felino]

I've accused you of misogyny because you've said some very misogynistic things.

Ok. And I accused you of misandry because you always say misandric things

 

[Shadow Wolf]

But I cannot accuse you of misandry..

And I accused you of misandry

So which one is it?

 

[Estro Felino]

So which one is it?

That's not the point. You feel entitled to call me a misogynist for what I said... but it's just an arbitrary assumption of yours.

As arbitrary as my assumption. But you are not able to understand this concept because you cannot empathize with your interlocutor...but you feel superior to your interlocutor no matter what you say or they say.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

but it's just an arbitrary assumption of yours.

It's not an assumption with many of the posts you've made.

 

[Estro Felino]

It's not an assumption with many of the posts you've made.

So...the fact you have bias towards males isn't an assumption of mine either. Right?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So...the fact you have bias towards males isn't an assumption of mine either. Right?

It is an assumption as things you've said about views about men have been wrong.

 

[Estro Felino]

It is an assumption as things you've said about views about men have been wrong.

perfect. You are always right and I'm always wrong.
As you wish, your majesty.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

perfect. You are always right and I'm always wrong.
As you wish, your majesty.

You made an incorrect assumption about my sexual orientation the time you accused me of misandry, and did think that had a part to do with my "misandry." You have excused, downplayed, and dismissed rape (and welcomed it in the world of hypothetically speaking), you have claimed men and women are not capable of being coworkers because the women will distract the men (the same mentality that forces women to cover up with niqabs and burkas). You've said some other things (and I have pointed them out), but those are the ones I remember.

 

[Estro Felino]

You made an incorrect assumption about my sexual orientation the time you accused me of misandry, and did think that had a part to do with my "misandry." You have excused, downplayed, and dismissed rape (and welcomed it in the world of hypothetically speaking), you have claimed men and women are not capable of being coworkers because the women will distract the men (the same mentality that forces women to cover up with niqabs and burkas). You've said some other things (and I have pointed them out), but those are the ones I remember.

I 've never downplayed rape and there's a private conversation between me and you that proves it.

Btw...with all due respect...SW...you keep going off topic....

you are not able to understand your words may hurt people. I had an autistic boyfriend for 8 harsh months...he would never admit his flaws...he used to accuse me of something he did himself.

He was exactly like you..he was not be able to look within, to do self-criticism and to empathize with the interlocutor.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

you are not able to understand your words may hurt people.

Any time I mention me spewing acid, or raining acid, or any sort of thing like that, it's because I'm very aware of that can go straight for vital organs if someone pushes me hard enough (such as the other day in a thread when I mentioned "jack hammer stabbing-and-electric drill twisting a verbal knife in god's chest" (it was more of a response to a thread than anything)).

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I 've never downplayed rape and there's a private conversation between me and you that proves it.

You asked why people think you're a misogynist, and kept on doing the things I pointed out to you.

 

[Estro Felino]

You asked why people think you're a misogynist, and kept on doing the things I pointed out to you.

btw I am not a misogynist.
And I love anyone here...despite misunderstandings and mutual accusations.
I always try to understand the other. Because the word intelligence comes from the Latin word intellego and means to understand