What algorithm does God use to assign souls to newborns?

[zenzero]

Friend robo,

Your question assumes that humans are divided according to the religion they follow or appear to follow.
Religions are only ways or paths to be able to still the mind so that one can be in oneness with what is labelled God.
It like going to school on a school bus, on a bike or car etc. Each one reaches school according to their convenience, availability etc. but the school never differentiates between children as to their mode of transport which is exactly what religion is.
Humans have evolved and evolution continues irrespective o religion, country, colour, race, etc.

Love & rgds

 

[St Giordano Bruno]

Does this "God" have a soul bank for all those "unborn" souls?

 

[Gharib]

@eselam:

I think I am not able to get my point across to you accurately.

The question is as follows:

Assume Religion A is the only true religion as per your God and Religions B, C, ... , Z are false.

(1)Firstly, according to your religion, will followers of Religions B, C, ... , burn in eternal hellfire in the hereafter?

(2)If the answer to (1) is YES, my question aims at asking HOW your God assigns souls. How does God decide this soul should take birth in a family that practises Religion A, while this soul should take birth in a family that practises Religion Z? At the time of assignment of souls to families, are they completely identical to each other or do the souls have some differentiating factor?

(3)If the answer to (1) is NO, then my question doesnt apply to your religion.

i fully understand what you mean i was trying to make it obvious through my replies that your reasoning is somewhat misleading and incorrect. being born into a family other than A doesn't mean that one is destined for hell 100% or that they can never join religion A. just as the people who are born into religion A don't have paradise guaranteed 100% or that they will never leave religion A. if you look at it in this way, which is the right way to look at it, then there is no unfairness.

as for the souls, they are all the same. as i mentioned earlier where every soul accepts Allah as their lord and agrees to worship him, it's only after coming to life that different people will get influenced by different things, so some end up believing and some end up not believing, however both parties have a choice in the matter of what they believe. moreover, everyone is born in the natural state of Islamic monotheism (islamic belief) it is only after that, that someones parents will turn them into a christian or a jew etc. in islam we do not have like what the christians have about baptizing the child.

 

[not nom]

being born into a family other than A doesn't mean that one is destined for hell 100% or that they can never join religion A. just as the people who are born into religion A don't have paradise guaranteed 100% or that they will never leave religion A. if you look at it in this way, which is the right way to look at it, then there is no unfairness.

that's not the correct way though. it says so in the quran: if allah would have wanted to be rightly guided, they would be; but allah said he'd fill hell with jinn and people, so he will. and is it anyone's merit but allah's if someone is rightly guided? really? that's basically made up because you have a good heart, but not compatible with the actual text this topic is supposed to be about.

some end up believing and some end up not believing, however both parties have a choice in the matter of what they believe.

yeah well, no. see above.

 

[robo]

i fully understand what you mean i was trying to make it obvious through my replies that your reasoning is somewhat misleading and incorrect. being born into a family other than A doesn't mean that one is destined for hell 100% or that they can never join religion A. just as the people who are born into religion A don't have paradise guaranteed 100% or that they will never leave religion A. if you look at it in this way, which is the right way to look at it, then there is no unfairness.

Actually, for the charge of unfairness to stick on Allah it suffices if a person born into Religion Z has > 50 % chance of landing up in hell. Likewise it suffices if a person born into Religion A has > 50% chance of landing up in heaven. To further substantiate this, a coin is called fair if and only if Probability(Heads) = Probability(Tails) = 50%.

as for the souls, they are all the same. as i mentioned earlier where every soul accepts Allah as their lord and agrees to worship him, it's only after coming to life that different people will get influenced by different things, so some end up believing and some end up not believing, however both parties have a choice in the matter of what they believe. moreover, everyone is born in the natural state of Islamic monotheism (islamic belief) it is only after that, that someones parents will turn them into a christian or a jew etc. in islam we do not have like what the christians have about baptizing the child.

With all due respect, this is nonsense. All children are born with no sense of any deity, or polytheism, or monotheism.

All this raises another question. As per your religion, prior to the birth of Mohammed, all followers of Jesus were heaven-bound, yes? After the birth of Mohammed [for instance now] if I do not believe in Mohammed, I am hell-bound yes?

Now, how did Allah decided to make my soul take birth in the 20th century [after the final seal of prophets - Mohammed - had come and gone] instead of the 6th century. It appears that Allah played unfair with Christians. A Christian in 6th century had a better chance of being heaven-bound instead of a Christian now.

 

[Faith division]

if I do not believe in Mohammed, I am hell-bound yes?

Now, how did Allah decided to make my soul take birth in the 20th century [after the final seal of prophets - Mohammed - had come and gone] instead of the 6th century. It appears that Allah played unfair with Christians. A Christian in 6th century had a better chance of being heaven-bound instead of a Christian now.

1/All man kind are born with the belief that God is one and only
and it doesnt matter wich familly he is born with , may be it helps somehow but ,everyone has all tools and attous to seek for God and know him and
follow his message,
Some christians converted to islam and followed the teaching of s Mohamed saws and were devoted to Allah while some muslim born made a lot of sins ,didnt follow s Mohamed and have no idea about religion, so the choice is given to everyone equitably
2/during history Allah send a messenger to guide people to the right path,after a while(hadreds years) He send another one ,,along the years to help people know God
So the christians 6th sentury didnt have a best chance? They were following Jesus, and Mohamed saws didnt come with a different religion , its the same religion , to fullfi and comlish and correct the correption
Exactly as prophet Jesus came with Evangile (new testament)to fulfill Thorat (old testament),not different from thorat

 

[Faith division]

that's not the correct way though. it says so in the quran: if allah would have wanted to be rightly guided, they would be; but allah said he'd fill hell with jinn and people, so he will. and is it anyone's merit but allah's if someone is rightly guided? really? that's basically made up because you have a good heart, but not compatible with the actual text this topic is supposed to be about.



yeah well, no. see above.

This question has been deaply treated by muslim scholars as it made a big confusion to muslims too , but i give you the short answer if it , ok
First of all we believe that God is the AllJust, He wouldnt make any injustice toward anyone (i give you the verset later)
there are sequances of guidance
Sequence 1/ God wants everyone to be guided ,He made us born with the true belief and true religion( islam) , and send his messengers to guide us .
Sequence 2/a person seeks truly for guidance , or reject all prouf of guidance (by arrogance or by following his parents:for exqmple father of prophet Abraham)
Sequence 3/God chose to guide those who ask for Him truly(not according to their desire) and give a chance to those who refused (like pharaon with Moses God gave him many chances etc,,,)
Sequence 4/ after insistance of disbelivers to refuse and refuse , God then refuse them, and refuse to guide them,and promess them hell....that they deserve it by free will not by God's choice!ok!
God forbed injustice to Himself us He forbed it for us , so we shoudnt be infair too, disbeleiving is the biggest injustice toward to self.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Hello All:

Assume for sake of argument, Shia Islam is the only true religion, and practitioners of all other sects/religions are going to burn in eternal hellfire because we did not worship God in the right fashion.

Now, I am not Shiite. Assume my mother conceived at the exact same time as a Shiite mother. I am assuming that Allah had two souls that were exactly identical to each other in all respects just prior to the moment of conception and souls are assigned at the moment of conception. Why did my soul take birth in the non-Shiite family, while the other soul took birth in the Shiite family? Both our souls were just the same, but it seems the soul assigned to the Shiite family has a much better chance of enjoying heaven, while my soul has a much better chance of burning in eternal hellfire. This seems unfair to souls in non-Shiite families. The playing field is tilted against my soul from the get go. :-(

So, is the assignment of soul to families random?
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The thing is that even based on your assumption, it cannot be said that it is unfair.
The soul that God assigns at the conception, does not remain the same. It can be corrupted or can achive more perfection.
See Surah of the Sun:
"Successful is the one who keeps it [the soul] pure, and ruined is the one who corrupts it [the soul]"

That has to do with deeds and the purity of the heart, that a person has during his life time. Even if Shia is the right path, God tests each indivisual accoridng to a perfect Wisdom. So, the Shia people would have more difficault tests in their lifetime, which makes it harder for them to pass the tests without corrupting their souls. But if a person is not born in the familly with the right belief, he would have easier test. Also, God can assist each person according to His perfect justice in this world and the next.

 

[robo]

Even if Shia is the right path, God tests each indivisual accoridng to a perfect Wisdom. So, the Shia people would have more difficault tests in their lifetime, which makes it harder for them to pass the tests without corrupting their souls. But if a person is not born in the familly with the right belief, he would have easier test. Also, God can assist each person according to His perfect justice in this world and the next.[/COLOR][/B]

So, what you are saying is that entry into heaven is NOT based on religion [Shia or Sunni or Christian or Jew or Hindu or Buddhist or Pagan, etc] but rather on actions, yes?

What is this "test" you are talking about? What sort of test are we being given by God?

 

[LegionOnomaMoi]

Hello All:

Assume for sake of argument, Shia Islam is the only true religion, and practitioners of all other sects/religions are going to burn in eternal hellfire because we did not worship God in the right fashion.

Now, I am not Shiite. Assume my mother conceived at the exact same time as a Shiite mother. I am assuming that Allah had two souls that were exactly identical to each other in all respects just prior to the moment of conception and souls are assigned at the moment of conception. Why did my soul take birth in the non-Shiite family, while the other soul took birth in the Shiite family? Both our souls were just the same, but it seems the soul assigned to the Shiite family has a much better chance of enjoying heaven, while my soul has a much better chance of burning in eternal hellfire. This seems unfair to souls in non-Shiite families. The playing field is tilted against my soul from the get go. :-(

So, is the assignment of soul to families random?

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God uses "higher math" :

 

[Super Universe]

Hello All:

Assume for sake of argument, Shia Islam is the only true religion, and practitioners of all other sects/religions are going to burn in eternal hellfire because we did not worship God in the right fashion.

Now, I am not Shiite. Assume my mother conceived at the exact same time as a Shiite mother. I am assuming that Allah had two souls that were exactly identical to each other in all respects just prior to the moment of conception and souls are assigned at the moment of conception. Why did my soul take birth in the non-Shiite family, while the other soul took birth in the Shiite family? Both our souls were just the same, but it seems the soul assigned to the Shiite family has a much better chance of enjoying heaven, while my soul has a much better chance of burning in eternal hellfire. This seems unfair to souls in non-Shiite families. The playing field is tilted against my soul from the get go. :-(

So, is the assignment of soul to families random?

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There are two types of God energy, Soul and spirit. Spirit is unaware energy, it's dumb. It simply goes out and activates DNA/RNA. You can lose an arm and then take that arm into a hospital where they are capable of keeping it alive indefinately. Spirit keeps the DNA/RNA active in the individual cells until the DNA/RNA in each cell degrades to a point that spirit disconnects. The cell is then dead.

Souls are sentient energy but souls are not assigned at the moment of conception.
The soul connects to a certain central part of the brain, which has to be developed enough for the connection to be made. Generally souls connect just before birth or soon after.

The soul is sentient, is it personality. The makeup of the personality is a mathematical formula based on many things. The good astrologers have some of those things identified but not all.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

So, what you are saying is that entry into heaven is NOT based on religion [Shia or Sunni or Christian or Jew or Hindu or Buddhist or Pagan, etc] but rather on actions, yes?

Yes, I am just saying what Quran says.
The Moslems must say a prayer everyday, a few times. Part of that prayer says:
"Guide us to the right path."

Well, if just being part of the true religion is enough, why they have to still say;
"Guide us to the right path." everyday?

Moreover, just saying we believe has never been counted, but to prove by the deeds:

“Do men think when they say ‘We believe’ they shall be let alone and not be put to proof?” Qur’án 29:2

What is this "test" you are talking about? What sort of test are we being given by God?

Well, firstly, I think, it's good to note that, God does not test, so, He may know how we do, but the purpose of the tests is that our souls may be developed and grow.
The tests are just everyday situations, including difficaulties and problems that comes everyday into our lives, by which we know who we are and we can improve ourselves.
If there was no tests, then how can a pure soul may be distinguished from impure? Both of them would seem to be the same. But when the tests comes, by the actions we know ourselves and improve.