What am I?

[savethedreams]

Look harder at the evidence for evolution. Evolution is a fact - better established than gravity.

Rather Evolution is real or not is irrelevant to me. I hope they do discover it being real 100%, so some of these, theist thoughts can be mythologist already, long over do. BUT BUUUUTTTT *clears throat* some members of my family have a mutated genetic gene. So yes, clear as day. I don't have evolution debates because it whatever to me.

Apologies, I meant "life after death" generally, since you hold the position that death does not truly exist.

Yes, it really doesn't, my life will live on in some way shape or form, same as yours. I'm going to ask you, bluntly. Does one have to believe that a sprit use to be human or some human form, to believe in life after death? How do you combine the thought of 'life after death' to a ghost, two different things in my opinion.

An atheist is someone who does not believe in the existence of an intelligent agency responsible for creating the Universe - it's a position which deals with a specific definition of God.

So, do you believe your God is a) an intelligent supernatural agency and/or b) responsible for the creation or maintaining of the universe? If you answer yes to both, you're a theist, if you answer no to either of them, I would define you as an atheist.

1. there are many conceptions of god, so to answer a question like that, seems like your trying to conform me.

so to answer your questions: a) mother nature and the force of life and universe is intelligent. b) I don't know if mother nature and the force of life created the universe, I only been on earth, I do not know of anything behind that.

Now question to you, what do you define as a Christian believing in evolution of supernatural force creating it.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Immortal Flame... we are a composite of our experiences. And because each of us experiences life differently, we will see the world differently. That's OK! And it should answer your (hidden) questions about whether we should arrive at the same or similar conclusions about our beliefs?

I'm assuming by "hidden question" you mean "question I never asked or even alluded to that you just made up so you can spout you spiel"?

Just ask yourself... What can I do to make this world a better place... for those I come into contact on a daily basis. If it is no more than making them smile, you're living a life of loving kindness. Any 2-year old can get angry, upset, mad, wanting to fight... It takes a kind, loving, mature person to love others - especially those who are different? But loving and being kind to others is life's most rewarding challenge!

Well, thank you for the lecture, but what does any of this have to do with anything I've said?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Rather Evolution is real or not is irrelevant to me. I hope they do discover it being real 100%, so some of these, theist thoughts can be mythologist already, long over do. BUT BUUUUTTTT *clears throat* some members of my family have a mutated genetic gene. So yes, clear as day. I don't have evolution debates because it whatever to me.

None of this makes any sense. Evolution is already an established fact, and it being a fact does not suddenly render theism mythology. You seem to be operating under the false impression that evolution is an atheistic ideology and cannot be reconciled with belief in a God. This is not true.

Yes, it really doesn't, my life will live on in some way shape or form, same as yours. I'm going to ask you, bluntly. Does one have to believe that a sprit use to be human or some human form, to believe in life after death? How do you combine the thought of 'life after death' to a ghost, two different things in my opinion.

I didn't, I just accidentally misrepresented your statement about life never ending to mean reincarnation.

1. there are many conceptions of god, so to answer a question like that, seems like your trying to conform me.

There are many concepts of what people may call a God, but atheism and theism deal with a specific concept of God.

so to answer your questions: a) mother nature and the force of life and universe is intelligent. b) I don't know if mother nature and the force of life created the universe, I only been on earth, I do not know of anything behind that.

What you "know" is not what I asked, it is what you "believe". So I'll ask again: do you believe there is an intelligent/conscious entity responsible for the creation of the Universe in some form?

Now question to you, what do you define as a Christian believing in evolution of supernatural force creating it.

They're commonly referred to as "theistic evolutionists", though I tend to avoid the phrase "evolutionist" since evolution is not an "-ism", it is a science (you do not call people who accept that gravity exists "gravitationalists", etc.). I would say that they accept an interpretation of evolution known as "theistic evolution".

 

[savethedreams]

None of this makes any sense. Evolution is already an established fact, and it being a fact does not suddenly render theism mythology. You seem to be operating under the false impression that evolution is an atheistic ideology and cannot be reconciled with belief in a God. This is not true.

Evolution is not an establish fact. and I never thought, think or feel evolution is atheistic. Evolution is simply science. There is no blunt proof of evolution, that I have read and came across. I have taken 'evolution' classes in college, and came up with more question, then I had at the beginning. I don't even trust aging and soil when it comes to science. Its impossible to tell something that is 90 million year to 60 million years. that just 1 of many issues I have, the technology tools that i use to determine evolution is a great hypothesis I care less about, and care less about science.

There are many concepts of what people may call a God, but atheism and theism deal with a specific concept of God.

Which is why I'm against atheist its deals with a specific concept and its 1 sided, its atheist against mainstream. Atheism reminds me of those people (i love music) that says 'all rap is about drugs, exploiting black women, and negativity' when I show them 10 million rappers who don't the reply is 'oh besides that one'.

What you "know" is not what I asked, it is what you "believe". So I'll ask again: do you believe there is an intelligent/conscious entity responsible for the creation of the Universe in some form?

Mother nature, and the force of life is (copy and paste) an intelligent/conscious entity responsible for the creation of the Universe.

 

[LuisDantas]

Evolution is not an establish fact.

Actually yes, it is, and has been for about a century now.

As for carrying mutated genes, don't we all?

 

[LuisDantas]

Well Christians believe that you will die and be 'reincarnated' to going to heaven to a certain extent. See this i'm so-so confused on. Rebirth NO, reincarnation yes to a certain extent. This is still something I'm trying to discover.

You must have a very different understanding of reincarnation and rebirth from mine, then.

Rebirth is not literal, at least in my usage. Reincarnation I believe to be basically wishful thinking.

 

[savethedreams]

You must have a very different understanding of reincarnation and rebirth from mine, then.

Rebirth is not literal, at least in my usage. Reincarnation I believe to be basically wishful thinking.

Please elaborate on the concept of reincarnation and rebirth.. now I do NOT believe in coming back as a cat, planet, rock, cow, human etc. but I'm half and half on reincarnation part of me does, part of be doesn't. This is the only belief philosophy that I just shrug my shoulders on. If so it would be cool.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Evolution is not an establish fact.

Yes, it is. Not only is it an established fact, it is also the cornerstone of modern biology - without it, almost all of biology is rendered nonsensical.

and I never thought, think or feel evolution is atheistic.

You clearly did, since you stated that if evolution were an established fact it would render theism "mythology".

Evolution is simply science. There is no blunt proof of evolution, that I have read and came across. I have taken 'evolution' classes in college, and came up with more question, then I had at the beginning. I don't even trust aging and soil when it comes to science. Its impossible to tell something that is 90 million year to 60 million years. that just 1 of many issues I have, the technology tools that i use to determine evolution is a great hypothesis I care less about, and care less about science.

So, in other words, you don't care about how the Universe works or how we discover things about the Universe. Would you rather just make up answers?

Which is why I'm against atheist its deals with a specific concept and its 1 sided, its atheist against mainstream. Atheism reminds me of those people (i love music) that says 'all rap is about drugs, exploiting black women, and negativity' when I show them 10 million rappers who don't the reply is 'oh besides that one'.

If I say "I don't like peas", is that me generalizing all vegetables? No. In the exact same way, if I say "I am an atheist", is that me saying I reject all interpretations of what some people might call a God (considering that some people, such as pantheists, define God as "the Universe") and that all interpretations of God are wrong and/or evil? No.

I'm afraid atheism isn't simplifying or generalizing the God issue - you're generalizing and simplifying atheism.

Mother nature, and the force of life is (copy and paste) an intelligent/conscious entity responsible for the creation of the Universe.

So you're a theist then.

Also, nature is neither intelligent nor conscious, but I'll put that aside for now.

 

[goodegg007]

Well, where to go from here? Are spirits 'mass'? Do spirits contain atoms & molecules? No spiritual beings have ever been detected thru microscopes, telescopes, X-ray machines, or any other physical detection systems that we know of? Are 'spirits' a figment of our imaginations? We can imagine almost anything. Too, we are very egotistical, selfish beings, thinking we 'should' live forever? "How would this world ever get along without ME?" Too, we are already IN eternity! Every atom in our bodies has existed forever. "Matter is neither created nor destroyed - merely transformed from one form to another." We are what we eat - even atoms in our food from ancient ancestors?