Desert Snake
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What are Jews called when they leave Judaism
- Thread starter Desert Snake
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One of the main groups
Tali018
Member
Not really the response I was looking for. If they were born Jewish from a Jewish mother (I don't follow Reform) then no matter what they are still Jewish.
Tumah
Veteran Member
I think we covered that.
Tali018
Member
Yes, but the OP doesn't state religiously or culturally. The OP doesn't state much more than a B/W basic query and thus gets a B/W basic response. For example, if the query were if he became Messianic and followed JC then outside of Israel he would be considered a Christian. But if we followed the mother rule and he decided to move to Israel being Messianic then Israel would still recognize him as a Jew.
Akivah
Well-Known Member
I think other people (non-Jews) continue to call people that left Judaism, as Jews. I think Christian people label born-Jews that convert to Chritianity, Jewish-Christians.
Tali018
Member
If they leave Judaism completely which includes the cultural aspects then they are Christians. If they keep all (or most) the cultural and simply add JC then they are Messianic Jews. Its a matter of semantics, but there is a difference.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Yes, but if someone wants to keep identifying as jewish despite being say atheist etc, isn't that o.k. as well?
Akivah
Well-Known Member
Both Messianic Jews and Christians worship the same entity, so there's no difference from where I'm standing. Besides I was saying that other Christians refer to either of them as Jewish-Christians. Jews that keep fast to Judaism would label both of them as apostate Jews. So everyone refers to a former Jew, with the word "Jew" somewhere in their label.
AmbiguousGuy
Well-Known Member
How do you know who the Jewish mothers are?
Levite
Higher and Higher
We trust that people are not going to deliberately lie about their identity. Though in some extreme cases of doubt, people have been asked to provide supporting evidence, such as the ketubah (marriage contract) of their maternal grandparents, or perhaps a photo of maternal grandparents or great-grandparents displaying clear markers of Jewish observance (seen by dress, style of hair, or other clues), or other sundry family documentation.
Mostly, though, we trust that people are not deceitful.
farouk
Active Member
So if your mother is a Jew then all her children can be accepted as Jews.
Am i correct?
RabbiO
הרב יונה בן זכריה
That about sums it up.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
You can also convert.
My question is just about labels, I'm not going to argue with someone on how they label themselves, but I've gotten some varying answers to the OP question.
Drolefille
PolyPanGeekGirl
*raises hand* Culturally Catholic here.