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What are People Really Worshipping?

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Assuming there is no deity, what are people really worshiping when they worship deity?

I think best case, they are worshiping nature, the universe, etc in the guise of a deity or deities. That is, when they ask themselves what sort of relationship they should have to deity, they are effectively asking themselves what sort of relationship they should have to nature, the world, the universe, etc.

Worse case, they are worshiping their own personality projected large.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
A projected personification of their own collective egos.

"I really hate group X and activity Y.. What's that, god? You do, too?! What a coincidence! It's nice to know that you're on my side on these issues! What's that god? My race and/or nation is your favorite? Well shucks, aren't I lucky?!"
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Assuming there is no deity, what are people really worshiping when they worship deity?

I think best case, they are worshiping nature, the universe, etc in the guise of a deity or deities. That is, when they ask themselves what sort of relationship they should have to deity, they are effectively asking themselves what sort of relationship they should have to nature, the world, the universe, etc.

Worse case, they are worshiping their own personality projected large.

I assume mostly the later case. Some projection of what a person thinks a perfected version of themselves would be.

The development of my "spiritual" ideology seemed to be leading to this direction. Since I've no interest in self worship, I decided to become an atheist instead.

Nature is just nature, it's just doing what nature does. No need to worship it. I was into being a Druid for a while, and while it's kind of cool to feel the presence of spirits in nature, nature is going to keep going about it's business whether you worship it or not. But, if it makes you feel better, why not.
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
I worship WHO made these lifes (nature,creatures....etc),and WHO will end all of it.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Ignoring the "assuming..." part of the OP, I like this story from Meher Baba's discourses. Note that 'ego' is used in a technical sense meaning 'lower nature' or veil covering the truth:

There is a beautiful story of a kasturi-mriga, or musk deer, that brings out the nature of all spiritual sadhana. Once, while roaming about and frolicking among hills and dales, the kasturi-mriga was suddenly aware of an exquisitely beautiful scent, the like of which it had never known. The scent stirred the inner depths of its soul so profoundly that it determined to find the source.

So keen was its longing that notwithstanding the severity of cold or the intensity of scorching heat, by day as well as by night, the deer carried on its desperate search for the source of the sweet scent. It knew no fear or hesitation but undaunted went on its elusive search, until at last, happening to lose its foothold on a cliff, it had a precipitous fall resulting in a fatal injury. While breathing its last, the deer found that the scent that had ravished its heart and inspired all these efforts came from its own navel. This last moment of the deer's life was its happiest, and there was on its face inexpressible peace.

All spiritual sadhanas of the aspirant are like the efforts of the kasturi-mriga. The final fructification of sadhana involves the termination of the ego-life of the aspirant. At that moment there is the realization that he himself has, in a sense, been the object of all his search and endeavor. All that he suffered and enjoyed — all his risks and adventures, all his sacrifices and desperate strivings — were intended for achieving true Self-knowledge, in which he loses his limited individuality only to discover that he is really identical with God, who is in everything.
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
Assuming there is no deity, what are people really worshiping when they worship deity?

I think best case, they are worshiping nature, the universe, etc in the guise of a deity or deities. That is, when they ask themselves what sort of relationship they should have to deity, they are effectively asking themselves what sort of relationship they should have to nature, the world, the universe, etc.

Worse case, they are worshiping their own personality projected large.

Why is worse case worshiping their own personality projected large. Everyday is a challenge and having a voice in your head work out problems is good. For most of us this voice is actually trying to help us and not telling us to kill or commit crimes. If it helps us to believe this voice is a higher authority and that allows us to get through our problems, that is great. It is the minority that let the voice push them over the edge but they get all the press. Most of us live better because of that voice.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Assuming there is no deity, what are people really worshiping when they worship deity?

I think best case, they are worshiping nature, the universe, etc in the guise of a deity or deities. That is, when they ask themselves what sort of relationship they should have to deity, they are effectively asking themselves what sort of relationship they should have to nature, the world, the universe, etc.

Worse case, they are worshiping their own personality projected large.

Personification of their inner reflections of themselves.

Personifications of an external source for experiences that are in themselves isolated without needing a "person" to give the experience but just a value the experience in and of itself.

Personification of the holistic nature of life. Seeing life coming from an origin rather than living life as an action.

Personification of being alive. Finding a need to attribute gratitude to a source rather than trust oneself, community, and environment as the source and part of gratitude in and of itself (usually given through offerings).

In short: Personification of the human experience, origin, and life in general.
 

beenherebeforeagain

Rogue Animist
Premium Member
a variation on the question might be, "assuming that there is a or more deities, is what people think they are worshiping really what they are worshiping?":D

I have the suspicion that many people are attributing to deity a great deal more than deity actually entails...:p
 

eldios

Active Member
Assuming there is no deity, what are people really worshiping when they worship deity?

I think best case, they are worshiping nature, the universe, etc in the guise of a deity or deities. That is, when they ask themselves what sort of relationship they should have to deity, they are effectively asking themselves what sort of relationship they should have to nature, the world, the universe, etc.

Worse case, they are worshiping their own personality projected large.

All religious people who go to a church building are worshiping an imaginary god they get in their minds as they read the Bible together. The true God has a voice and us servants are forced to obey until we become the voice for other people in the world to listen to and learn how we're created.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
You do realize that merely beecause you worship something, doesn't necessarily make it real, right?

I'm well aware of that. A good example would be "JHVH". But again, nothing you've said bears any relevance to anything I've said, nor the thread's OP for that matter.
 

The Kilted Heathen

Crow FreyjasmaðR
Assuming there is no deity, what are people really worshiping when they worship deity? I think best case, they are worshiping nature, the universe, etc in the guise of a deity or deities.
If there are no deities? Yeah, pretty much. That's what I really like about Paganism, particularly Heathenry. While I personally do believe that what I worship are Gods, and I recognize them and name them as such, if I was to find out that they are not actually deities then nothing about my worldview or worship would change much. Our worship is essentially acknowledgement and celebration of the Earth.

Also holy hell; deja vu
 
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