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What are religionists being taught about other religions?

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
The "He shall judge among the nations and rebuke many people" bit is what you should be focused on in this instance not the Peace that comes after it. The Judging the nations thing... that is a little thing in the Bible called Armageddon, The Day of the LORD, Judgement Day, The War of God Almighty. The Abrahamic religions were ALL taught that God would intervene and END this world not transform it.

Dan2:34 While you watched, a stone was hewn from a mountain without a hand being put to it, and it struck its iron and clay feet, breaking them in pieces.35 The iron, clay, bronze, silver, and gold all crumbled at once, fine as the chaff on the threshing floor in summer, and the wind blew them away without leaving a trace. But the stone that struck the statue became a great mountain and filled the whole earth.

The Kingdom of GOD is not a transformation of THIS world but the implementation of an entirely new management.

So instead of working for world peace and reconciliation you’re waiting for God to wave a magic wand and we will all love one another? If I don’t clean my house it gets dirty. God gave me hands to be able to clean up after myself. If I just waited for God to come and clean my house up for me what do you think would happen
 

Moz

Religion. A pox on all their Houses.
So instead of working for world peace and reconciliation you’re waiting for God to wave a magic wand and we will all love one another? If I don’t clean my house it gets dirty. God gave me hands to be able to clean up after myself. If I just waited for God to come and clean my house up for me what do you think would happen

I do not what to say... in the previous response you were happy to quote the Bible and twist it to fit your ideas so why not with the scripture from Daniel, or any of the Judgement Armageddon stuff. How do you dismiss the central theme of the Bible so easily. Or is that stuff the man made stuff and the stuff you like is authentic.
Waiting for God to wave a magic wand is how you refer to the Great Day of God Almighty, while claiming that the Bible is in your tradition of teachings, incredible.

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If you love only your own fellow believers, Jesus says you are no better than the pagans for they love each other also. Only unconditional love for all humanity is acceptable to Jesus. Below He says to love all not just your fellow believers. No wonder you’ve had inquisitions and crusades because it’s easy to go to war against those you don’t love.

Unconditional Love for all Humanity is a bit far to go but i acknowledge your point about Love. No where did i advance the idea that human followers of God were to be involved in any of the violence that is needed to rid this world of unrighteousness. I was merely pointing out that the Bahai teaching of mankind finding Universal peace and transforming the world is totally against what the Bible teaches.

What is your answer to the scriptures that talk about God stepping in then?
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The inquisition and crusades reference is interesting. It seems to me that at the deeper level they more reflect your worldview than mine. You are the one who seems to think that a religious influence will bring the political world to a place where they accept peace. Any scenario that has mankind unify in such a manner could only be achieved by extreme violence of some sort to establish the new order. Unless of course you expect God to step in and wave a magic wand to make it happen.
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The whole point, which you seemed to have missed entirely ,of the last 6000 years has been for mankind to accept that they are unable to govern themselves. The Bahai insistence that with enough time mankind will get it together on their own is in direct opposition to the Biblical teaching about the Kingdom Of God.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
I do not what to say... in the previous response you were happy to quote the Bible and twist it to fit your ideas so why not with the scripture from Daniel, or any of the Judgement Armageddon stuff. How do you dismiss the central theme of the Bible so easily. Or is that stuff the man made stuff and the stuff you like is authentic.
Waiting for God to wave a magic wand is how you refer to the Great Day of God Almighty, while claiming that the Bible is in your tradition of teachings, incredible.

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If you love only your own fellow believers, Jesus says you are no better than the pagans for they love each other also. Only unconditional love for all humanity is acceptable to Jesus. Below He says to love all not just your fellow believers. No wonder you’ve had inquisitions and crusades because it’s easy to go to war against those you don’t love.

Unconditional Love for all Humanity is a bit far to go but i acknowledge your point about Love. No where did i advance the idea that human followers of God were to be involved in any of the violence that is needed to rid this world of unrighteousness. I was merely pointing out that the Bahai teaching of mankind finding Universal peace and transforming the world is totally against what the Bible teaches.

What is your answer to the scriptures that talk about God stepping in then?
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The inquisition and crusades reference is interesting. It seems to me that at the deeper level they more reflect your worldview than mine. You are the one who seems to think that a religious influence will bring the political world to a place where they accept peace. Any scenario that has mankind unify in such a manner could only be achieved by extreme violence of some sort to establish the new order. Unless of course you expect God to step in and wave a magic wand to make it happen.
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The whole point, which you seemed to have missed entirely ,of the last 6000 years has been for mankind to accept that they are unable to govern themselves. The Bahai insistence that with enough time mankind will get it together on their own is in direct opposition to the Biblical teaching about the Kingdom Of God.

The Great Day of God and the Day of Judgement is a day on which the sun rises and sets like any other day.

God stepping in according to the Holy Bible we believe refers to the Promised One - Christ returning in the glory of the Father and bringing the kingdom of God.

We believe the Bible is the Word of God. So Daniel and all the Books we accept them as true.

We don’t believe in the traditional interpretations because they are just opinions nor authoritative or necessarily correct or true. We believe Christ has already returned in the Glory of the Father and brought the Kingdom of God but that like the Jews, Christians have missed Him because they have misread the signs and pride themselves in their limited understanding of the scriptures like the Jews who’s scriptural knowledge availed them nought.

Here is our basic belief regarding Jesus and the Bible so you know where we stand. It is not just a Book to us but a Holy Book and the Word of God and we read from it in all our services across the world each week.

From various Baha’i Writings. There’s much, much more extolling the greatness of Christ but these are just a couple of samples.

THIS book is the Holy Book of God, of celestial Inspiration. It is the Bible of Salvation, the Noble Gospel. It is the mystery of the Kingdom and its light. It is the Divine Bounty, the sign of the guidance of God.


As to the position of Christianity, let it be stated without any hesitation or equivocation that its divine origin is unconditionally acknowledged, that the Sonship and Divinity of Jesus Christ are fearlessly asserted, that the divine inspiration of the Gospel is fully recognized, that the reality of the mystery of the Immaculacy of the Virgin Mary is confessed, and the primacy of Peter, the Prince of the Apostles, is upheld and defended.
 

Moz

Religion. A pox on all their Houses.
The Great Day of God and the Day of Judgement is a day on which the sun rises and sets like any other day.

God stepping in according to the Holy Bible we believe refers to the Promised One - Christ returning in the glory of the Father and bringing the kingdom of God.

We believe the Bible is the Word of God. So Daniel and all the Books we accept them as true.

We don’t believe in the traditional interpretations because they are just opinions nor authoritative or necessarily correct or true. We believe Christ has already returned in the Glory of the Father and brought the Kingdom of God but that like the Jews, Christians have missed Him because they have misread the signs and pride themselves in their limited understanding of the scriptures like the Jews who’s scriptural knowledge availed them nought.

Here is our basic belief regarding Jesus and the Bible so you know where we stand. It is not just a Book to us but a Holy Book and the Word of God and we read from it in all our services across the world each week.

From various Baha’i Writings. There’s much, much more extolling the greatness of Christ but these are just a couple of samples.

THIS book is the Holy Book of God, of celestial Inspiration. It is the Bible of Salvation, the Noble Gospel. It is the mystery of the Kingdom and its light. It is the Divine Bounty, the sign of the guidance of God.


As to the position of Christianity, let it be stated without any hesitation or equivocation that its divine origin is unconditionally acknowledged, that the Sonship and Divinity of Jesus Christ are fearlessly asserted, that the divine inspiration of the Gospel is fully recognized, that the reality of the mystery of the Immaculacy of the Virgin Mary is confessed, and the primacy of Peter, the Prince of the Apostles, is upheld and defended.

Wow.. The Great Day, judgement Day, is just like any other day.... that is one of the most asinine things I've had a Baha'i to try and peddle yet.
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As to the position of Christianity, let it be stated without any hesitation or equivocation that its divine origin is unconditionally acknowledged, that the Sonship and Divinity of Jesus Christ are fearlessly asserted, that the divine inspiration of the Gospel is fully recognized, that the reality of the mystery of the Immaculacy of the Virgin Mary is confessed, and

This will need to be amended to fit what you have been saying. You actually believe Christianity to be a mistaken understanding of Christs message so stop trying to buddy up to us with your slippery reasoning. Say what you believe up front and let the chips land where they may. All your crap about accepting and extolling the virtues of Christ while teaching diametrically opposed views is an astounding achievement in self deception.
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the primacy of Peter, the Prince of the Apostles, is upheld and defended
Also...... To invoke the primacy of Peter shows that whoever wrote this claptrap was influenced by the later catholic belief on Peter's primacy and all that first pope crap. It shows no understanding of the early christian congregations. Defending the primacy of the "Prince of the Apostles" as a claim to biblical orthodoxy is just funny.
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But since you opened the Peter door contend with this.......
2Pet3 :8 beloved, do not let this one thing escape your notice: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9The Lord is not slow to fulfill His promise as some understand slowness, but is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish but everyone to come to repentance.10But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar, the elements will be destroyedc by fire, and the earth and its works will be laid bare.d11Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to conduct yourselves in holiness and godliness 12as you anticipate and hasten the coming of the day of God, when the heavens will be destroyed by fire and the elements will melt in the heat. 13But in keeping with God’s promise, we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.

This does not seem just like "any other day" to me.



 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Wow.. The Great Day, judgement Day, is just like any other day.... that is one of the most asinine things I've had a Baha'i to try and peddle yet.
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As to the position of Christianity, let it be stated without any hesitation or equivocation that its divine origin is unconditionally acknowledged, that the Sonship and Divinity of Jesus Christ are fearlessly asserted, that the divine inspiration of the Gospel is fully recognized, that the reality of the mystery of the Immaculacy of the Virgin Mary is confessed, and

This will need to be amended to fit what you have been saying. You actually believe Christianity to be a mistaken understanding of Christs message so stop trying to buddy up to us with your slippery reasoning. Say what you believe up front and let the chips land where they may. All your crap about accepting and extolling the virtues of Christ while teaching diametrically opposed views is an astounding achievement in self deception.
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the primacy of Peter, the Prince of the Apostles, is upheld and defended
Also...... To invoke the primacy of Peter shows that whoever wrote this claptrap was influenced by the later catholic belief on Peter's primacy and all that first pope crap. It shows no understanding of the early christian congregations. Defending the primacy of the "Prince of the Apostles" as a claim to biblical orthodoxy is just funny.
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But since you opened the Peter door contend with this.......
2Pet3 :8 beloved, do not let this one thing escape your notice: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9The Lord is not slow to fulfill His promise as some understand slowness, but is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish but everyone to come to repentance.10But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar, the elements will be destroyedc by fire, and the earth and its works will be laid bare.d11Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to conduct yourselves in holiness and godliness 12as you anticipate and hasten the coming of the day of God, when the heavens will be destroyed by fire and the elements will melt in the heat. 13But in keeping with God’s promise, we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.

This does not seem just like "any other day" to me.

For a start I’m not peddling anything. I believe in Jesus and the Bible as much if not more than the most devout Christian. I don’t think such condescension is in order but if it makes you feel better then you’re most welcome.

Again, I sincerely believe in all the verses you quote. Actually, it is because of my understanding of those verses vs the traditional views that I have come to discover Christ had already returned and undeservedly I recognised Him and saw His coming in the clouds with great glory.

But this glory and sovereignty, is not an earthly sovereignty like the Jews expected but a heavenly sovereignty. A new heaven to me means a new Revelation from God while the heavens disappearing symbolises that previous Revelations will lose their spiritual strength, fall into superstition and irrelevance. A new earth is a new age of science and the love of God.

The Lord did indeed come as a thief and none were the wiser. The fire of the Word of God will burn all false theories, superstitions and shibboleths that have turned man away from God. Christ described the Word as a sword. In this Revelation it is as a fire that burns away all impurities from gold but from the hearts of men.

Every teaching that is not of God will be abandoned if you like destroyed by the fire of the Word of God for today.

It’s an honour and privileged to be mocked. I’d much rather be mocked and laughed at than be of those who have turned away from Jesus when He came as denying Christ when He returns annuls all belief in Him and is an act of unfaithfulness and disloyalty.

If all the world mocks im happy that I have remained faithful to Jesus and watched and prayed and bowed humbly before Him when He returned and did not turn away from Him.
 
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loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
So that's on you, and not on the readers of your words to decide? How many men have sat before a judge saying, "I'm not guilty." when they were.

Even earthly judges have been known to sentence innocent men to death and imprisonment but God does not make such mistakes and we will all ultimately be judged by Him.
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
So instead of working for world peace and reconciliation you’re waiting for God to wave a magic wand and we will all love one another? If I don’t clean my house it gets dirty. God gave me hands to be able to clean up after myself. If I just waited for God to come and clean my house up for me what do you think would happen
Moz didn't get this out of thin air. The NT and Bible kind of do imply that God is going to destroy the evil one and destroy evil people. The only ones left are the ones with their names in God's Book of Life. So God's "magic wand" is all those bad things predicted for the end times. God's hammer is coming down and squashing all the bad stuff. God is going to send his Holy housekeeping team down to sweep up the mess. Then, the good guys and gals will be the only ones left.

That's what the Bible and the NT's book of Revelation seems to be saying to me. But, with the Baha'is, Christ has come and gone and left the mess. The Jews and Israel and Jerusalem are a big part of those end times prophecies. But the problems surrounding the Jews and Israel are still happening. Even though the Baha'i have the Jews being able to come back to Palestine in 1844, they didn't have the state of Israel until about 100 years later. So is prophecy still being fulfilled? Prophecy that is supposed to happen prior to the coming of Jesus, or the Messiah or whoever?
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Moz didn't get this out of thin air. The NT and Bible kind of do imply that God is going to destroy the evil one and destroy evil people. The only ones left are the ones with their names in God's Book of Life. So God's "magic wand" is all those bad things predicted for the end times. God's hammer is coming down and squashing all the bad stuff. God is going to send his Holy housekeeping team down to sweep up the mess. Then, the good guys and gals will be the only ones left.

That's what the Bible and the NT's book of Revelation seems to be saying to me. But, with the Baha'is, Christ has come and gone and left the mess. The Jews and Israel and Jerusalem are a big part of those end times prophecies. But the problems surrounding the Jews and Israel are still happening. Even though the Baha'i have the Jews being able to come back to Palestine in 1844, they didn't have the state of Israel until about 100 years later. So is prophecy still being fulfilled? Prophecy that is supposed to happen prior to the coming of Jesus, or the Messiah or whoever?

Destroying doesn’t necessarily mean physical destruction because it is ideals like materialism and ungodliness which are not physical realities which are the most responsible and dangerous in turning man away from God.

So destruction of things like materialism, racism, religious bigotry, discrimination, terrorist ideologies, sexism and prejudices of all kinds are what we are seeing really being destroyed and being replaced with the ‘new earth’ of equality, racial harmony, interfaith dialogue, multiculturalism, global solidarity, the oneness of humanity and universal human rights.

The death of people of former generations has not led to a wonderful new world today so physical destruction does not serve any useful purpose in changing our world. We have had two world wars and still the world is armed to the teeth with nuclear weapons. What has and is changing is that previously unchallenged ideas and traditions are being questioned and re-examined as to their worth in this new age and if they are found to be an obstacle to the well being of humanity they are being swept away to obsolescence. .

It’s in the minds, hearts and souls where harmful ideas evolve and so these are the main places they must be destroyed and through the educative influence of the Word of God for this age. Man alone, without assistance from the Word of God cannot establish the kingdom of God on earth. So we are erecting the Kingdom of God based on the Word of God which came from the Pen of Baha’u’llah not the ideas of men.
 

1213

Well-Known Member
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What does your religion teach you about other religions? What if anything is mentioned in your Holy Books regarding other Faiths?

Bible teaches that there is only one true God and we should not keep any other as our god. That doesn’t mean we should not love as the Bible teaches. It just means we should not participate in something that would be against the idea of only true God.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Once I had some religionists knock on my door and I welcomed them and invited them in my home to say prayers for humanity. They replied that their elders had forbidden them to mingle or become friendly with people from other Faiths because they might catch a ‘spiritual disease ‘.

I would love to be a fly on the wall to hear what is really being taught to such people to instill prejudice against people of different Faiths and where is their justification for promoting such prejudices.it does not come from the Holy Books.

Does it make any difference where we pray and meditate whether it be a pagoda, a church, temple, mosque or synagogue? What harm is there in going to each other’s churches and temples to pray, meditate and mingle?

In our Faith we have no such restrictions. We are encouraged to ‘consort with the followers of all religions with friendship and fellowship’ and again ‘“Consort with all religions with amity and concord, that they may inhale from you the sweet fragrance of God”

In our Houses of Worship each week all over the world we read from the Holy Books of all Faiths Buddhism, Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Islam as well as our own Faith and participate in interfaith.

Do you think we should try and build bridges between the religions or keep aloof from one another? Isn’t it time the religions of the world came together to eliminate the hatreds that have caused bitter wars between them and find common ground to get along with one another?

What does your religion teach you about other religions? What if anything is mentioned in your Holy Books regarding other Faiths?
There is no prohibition for Jews to be friends with people of other faiths, although it is certainly better for us to be around other Jews who are observant, Jews in general, and other ethical monotheists, since such people will tend to reinforce our spiritual values. I would suppose that this generalization is not always true -- the ultra orthodox would limit friendship to other ultra orthodox, for example.

My rabbi never had a problem with me learning about other religions (I'm very much into comparitive religion). In fact he quite specifically told me that going to church wouldn't make me a Christian any more than going to McDonald's would make me a hamburger. (This is quite different from what my Orthodox Rabbi would say.) And so I went and did Native American sweats, visited Taoist Temples, read Islamic literature, etc. After a lifetime of this, I have to say that he was somewhat correct and somewhat mistaken. It depends on the degree person does this. I think I took it too far, in that I spent time studying these other faiths IN PLACE OF studying Judaism. If I had spent as much time studying Torah and Talmud, I have often wondered what kind of person I might be today. Certainly very different. I don't regret having a clearer understanding of the world, and understanding my Gentile friends better. I just regret not having the depth in my own faith.

Well, I have decades left in my life to do things differently. :)
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
There is no prohibition for Jews to be friends with people of other faiths, although it is certainly better for us to be around other Jews who are observant, Jews in general, and other ethical monotheists, since such people will tend to reinforce our spiritual values. I would suppose that this generalization is not always true -- the ultra orthodox would limit friendship to other ultra orthodox, for example.

My rabbi never had a problem with me learning about other religions (I'm very much into comparitive religion). In fact he quite specifically told me that going to church wouldn't make me a Christian any more than going to McDonald's would make me a hamburger. (This is quite different from what my Orthodox Rabbi would say.) And so I went and did Native American sweats, visited Taoist Temples, read Islamic literature, etc. After a lifetime of this, I have to say that he was somewhat correct and somewhat mistaken. It depends on the degree person does this. I think I took it too far, in that I spent time studying these other faiths IN PLACE OF studying Judaism. If I had spent as much time studying Torah and Talmud, I have often wondered what kind of person I might be today. Certainly very different. I don't regret having a clearer understanding of the world, and understanding my Gentile friends better. I just regret not having the depth in my own faith.

Well, I have decades left in my life to do things differently. :)

One question if I may. Do you think that the war between the Palestinians and Israel could exist if both sides had excellent friendship with each other and why don’t they? Would better relations between the faiths have eliminated the prospect of wars. If we see an us and them then that makes it easier for both sides to demonise the other.

Wouldn’t reconciled friendship help? Both need to be willing to see each other as fellow human beings as opposed to Muslims vs Jews. I’ve been to Israel. It’s a beautiful nation.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
One question if I may. Do you think that the war between the Palestinians and Israel could exist if both sides had excellent friendship with each other and why don’t they? Would better relations between the faiths have eliminated the prospect of wars. If we see an us and them then that makes it easier for both sides to demonise the other.

Wouldn’t reconciled friendship help? Both need to be willing to see each other as fellow human beings as opposed to Muslims vs Jews. I’ve been to Israel. It’s a beautiful nation.
I think if the Palestinians who had been relocated had been compensated (given reparations), it would have made a big difference (indeed it is something I'm surprised has never been brought up). The second thing is that Palestinians need to recognize Israel's right to exist, which includes acknowledging Jewish history in the area. If these two things were present, I think things could easily be worked out.

Remember that at one time, Jews and Arabs got along just fine. It was only as the independence of Israel loomed that animosity grew. It is the concept of Israel as a Jewish state that has divided the two peoples.
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
Bible teaches that there is only one true God and we should not keep any other as our god.
In the ancient times there was "one true" God and many other "gods", that were said to be "not" true.

I believe the same in one God.
Just because today people say they believe in only "one" God, is it the same God that the Jews believe in? Or the Christians? Or the Muslims? Or the Baha'is? If they are defined differently in each religion, are they talking about the same "one" true God? Definitely not Trinitarian Christians, but is the Jewish God the same as the Muslim and Baha'i God? As defined by those religions? And, hopefully, Indigo Child you're still following this and could chime in.
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
One question if I may. Do you think that the war between the Palestinians and Israel could exist if both sides had excellent friendship with each other and why don’t they? Would better relations between the faiths have eliminated the prospect of wars. If we see an us and them then that makes it easier for both sides to demonise the other.
How would the Baha'i Faith have handled it? Just as your best guess at the things that should have been done to reconcile the situation.

Then, what about the problem at the southern border between the U.S. and Mexico? What would the Baha'is do to justly solve the problem of one nation will economically assets closing its borders to people in need that have left the turmoil of their country and seek asylum?

Then, the opposite problem, native people that had their land overtaken by people from other countries? And that was still going on while Baha'u'llah was here on Earth. In fact, while Baha'u'llah was declaring himself, the U.S. was fighting a war about kidnapping people and forcing them to work as slaves. What is the just thing to do? What would Baha'is do to solve all these problems? You're the ones saying there is no "magic" wand to these problems. So what is the Baha'i solution?
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
In the ancient times there was "one true" God and many other "gods", that were said to be "not" true.

Just because today people say they believe in only "one" God, is it the same God that the Jews believe in? Or the Christians? Or the Muslims? Or the Baha'is? If they are defined differently in each religion, are they talking about the same "one" true God? Definitely not Trinitarian Christians, but is the Jewish God the same as the Muslim and Baha'i God? As defined by those religions? And, hopefully, Indigo Child you're still following this and could chime in.

Same one true God. Just like the same one sun in the sky.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
So different religions don't define God differently? If you asked a Buddhist, a Hindu and a Christian who or what is God? Do you think they'd agree that they are talking about the same being?

They just use different vocabulary to describe the same Reality.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
How would the Baha'i Faith have handled it? Just as your best guess at the things that should have been done to reconcile the situation.

Then, what about the problem at the southern border between the U.S. and Mexico? What would the Baha'is do to justly solve the problem of one nation will economically assets closing its borders to people in need that have left the turmoil of their country and seek asylum?

Then, the opposite problem, native people that had their land overtaken by people from other countries? And that was still going on while Baha'u'llah was here on Earth. In fact, while Baha'u'llah was declaring himself, the U.S. was fighting a war about kidnapping people and forcing them to work as slaves. What is the just thing to do? What would Baha'is do to solve all these problems? You're the ones saying there is no "magic" wand to these problems. So what is the Baha'i solution?

The problem is the system. Baha’u’llah described it as ‘lamentably defective’ and said a new system was needed. The current system is based on material profit not spiritual development and virtues which it needs to be.
 
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