What are the attributes of a worthy God?

[osgart]

Honesty and integrity.

I think that's more true of worthy humans. I'd expect more from a God.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

What would make God worthy of admiration and praise?

What would make God worthy of worship?

And if you have no God, or many Gods feel free to answer.

I have nothing to debate myself, but I thought a debate forum would be the best way to explore the reasons people find a God worthy, or unworthy.

The gift of the knowledge of life, given to us from God, via the Messengers of God.

For that we can choose to be eternally thankful.

Regards Tony

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

What would make God worthy of admiration and praise?

What would make God worthy of worship?

And if you have no God, or many Gods feel free to answer.

I have nothing to debate myself, but I thought a debate forum would be the best way to explore the reasons people find a God worthy, or unworthy.

Weirdly, when I started to think about this, I realized that most of the attributes I was thinking of are in the Scout Law:

A Scout is helpful and trustworthy, Kind and cheerful, Considerate and clean, and wise in the use of all resources.

That probably isn't the whole thing, but I'd say that a god who didn't do all that would be unworthy of worship.

 

[osgart]

Weirdly, when I started to think about this, I realized that most of the attributes I was thinking of are in the Scout Law:

A Scout is helpful and trustworthy, Kind and cheerful, Considerate and clean, and wise in the use of all resources.

That probably isn't the whole thing, but I'd say that a god who didn't do all that would be unworthy of worship.

For me a God has to go above and beyond what humans are and do; even a Scout.

 

[stevecanuck]

truly it is evil to turn away from him, and his chosen guides.

No, it is evil to kill in his name (or support those who do).

 

[stevecanuck]

The degree of evil consequences when we disobey God and go against his order, this can be debated.

Yes, if you disobey god when he says, "Fight those who believe not in god ... (9:29)", you will end up burning for eternity.

 

[Truth in love]

What would make God worthy of admiration and praise?

What would make God worthy of worship?

And if you have no God, or many Gods feel free to answer.

I have nothing to debate myself, but I thought a debate forum would be the best way to explore the reasons people find a God worthy, or unworthy.

The short answer truth, justice, mercy, knowledge, power, and caring about us,

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Not powerless but unwilling to do that at this time.

So He’s not abusive, just willfully negligent?

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

God as the Creator will exact retribution. We can't do that. We are not perfect judges nor have that right.

You don’t have to be a perfect judge to understand what hypocrisy means.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

First of all, in Scripture it is Satan who is the 'god' of this world of badness - 2 Corinthians 4:4

I find it silly God can lose a planet.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Apparently, the God of the Bible thinks of humanity so poorly that he purposely causes disasters and calamities throughout the world (Isaiah 45:7) that will inflict pain and suffering on people, which would explain why he willingly turns a blind eye to child abuse, sexual abuse, people killing each other, racial violence, and people dying from deadly diseases or viruses.

And then wants an appreciation day for the privilege of being screwed over.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

I think that's more true of worthy humans. I'd expect more from a God.

I expect more too but these two make the others possible.

 

[Brian2]

If anyone demands or expects worship, I think that would immediately disqualify them from being worthy of worship. A worthy being wouldn't care if it were worshipped, or would actively discourage such behavior.

If I'm coerced or encouraged to admire someone, how is it even meaningful when I do so, especially if I am also threatened with punishments if I don't? That's merely the abusive kind of relationship we see with malignant narcissists. "You shall have no one else before me. Do what I say or I'll have to hurt you, because I love you. You're worthless without my love, and you'd better love me back, or it'll be your fault that I'm hurting you again." Who would worship that? :/

When it comes to God, He is the best and deserving of worship. You are thinking of God as a human.
Also He is going to judge us one day and what He tells us is for our good so that we can survive that judgement because those who want to keep doing what is evil will not survive. Getting rid of evil is seems to be a prime concern for God and getting us to change so that He does not have to get rid of us a His motive. It is called "love". God loves us and therefore warns us and calls us back to Him.

 

[Brian2]

So He’s not abusive, just willfully negligent?

No, He knows what is best at this time.

 

[Brian2]

I disagree. Opinions on facts are either right or wrong. They are not subjective (meaning that one opinion is as good as another)

MacMillan:
based on your own feelings and ideas and not on facts. Something that is based on facts is objective
more...

In some areas that may be the case but not all. People have been known to judge facts based on their subjective opinions of the subject.

 

[Link]

No, it is evil to kill in his name (or support those who do).

This is what the people of hell think per Quran, they think the worse of the best of mankind, and will complain that they cannot count men who they considered among the worse in hell. Those who they considered most evil will be in paradise. It's part of the reason you go to hell, you can't distinguish good people from evil people.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

No, He knows what is best at this time.

Do you think the people who are suffering and dying are fine with God saying He’ll get around to it centuries after they die?

 

[Koldo]

What would make God worthy of admiration and praise?

It must, first of all, necessarily NOT exist given this world. If it does, it is not worthy of admiration and praise.

What would make God worthy of worship?

Given our world, it is impossible.

 

[osgart]

It must, first of all, necessarily NOT exist given this world. If it does, it is not worthy of admiration and praise.



Given our world, it is impossible.

That's absolutely true, and so many blind themselves to the fact.

All Everything God forgot to make nature harmonious, and sufficient for whatever it is we are all supposed to do. Instead life is thrown to the wolves so to speak.

The believer will chalk it all down to the curse of the sentence death of course. As people arbitrarily suffer and die of course.

 

[AlexanderG]

When it comes to God, He is the best and deserving of worship. You are thinking of God as a human.
Also He is going to judge us one day and what He tells us is for our good so that we can survive that judgement because those who want to keep doing what is evil will not survive. Getting rid of evil is seems to be a prime concern for God and getting us to change so that He does not have to get rid of us a His motive. It is called "love". God loves us and therefore warns us and calls us back to Him.

Ok? I mean, "If a person did the things my god does, we'd consider him a malignant psychopathic narcissist, but since he has divine magic then god is perfectly good when he does the same things" isn't really a good look, is it? Wouldn't a good god do all the things that the best humans do, but even better, instead of all the things that the worst people do, but even more horrible?

God could snap his fingers and destroy evil. Right now. He wouldn't have to torture, threaten, harm, or gaslight anyone. If such a god exists, I can only conclude that he wants evil and wants to torture almost every being he will ever create. The tiny remnant he spares are relegated to praising him for eternity. These are infinitely bad consequences. I logically can't imagine a more evil god.