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paarsurrey

paarsurrey

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sun rise said:
They are all partially right (see Blind Men and the Elephant).
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Well, I say they are partially wrong; and they should correct themselves under the "Religious Method" to be right. No big deal, it involves no expense, please. Right friends, please?

Regards
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Revoltingest said:
Back in the 1970s, I invented the field of probabilistic religion analysis.
I vaguely recall the probability of them getting it right as being less
than 0.01%. The probability of agnostics being right was 100%.
And strong atheists....the figure was indeterminate.
I'd show my math, but it's far to advanced even for @Polymath257.
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Is one biased for Agnosticism, they say they know nothing, please?

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Audie

Audie

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ratiocinator said:
This is simply impossible because the beliefs are often contradictory and many of them explicitly include the doctrine that everybody else is wrong.

Saying everybody is right is actually making up another religion.
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Depends on right about what
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Hellbound Serpiente said:
Yes, this has occurred to me. And not just that, even billions and billions more of the past [with different beliefs] who are no longer with us. By the end of all in the future [if that happens], make it zillions (rough estimate).

Which is why I don't think it's wise to believe in things with religious tenacity and just don't be a zealous bigot, no matter how perceptually accurate your beliefs may appear to you. This is why I always deal with beliefs in terms of how probable they are to be justified and true in the real world. I always think in terms in probabilities, not surety like many people [especially religious people] do. Even my most well-founded, grounded in reality, heavy-weighed opinions are open to further assessment, and I never think of them as "right". I don't consider my beliefs in terms of "right" and "wrong", but rather what makes sense and what appears to be true TO ME at this particular period of my life. In the future, they could very well be proven wrong.

The problem I feel that many people have that is they think that reality is perfectly as they believe it to be it is. That's just downright arrogance and self-deceit of the ego. Egoistic people believes world revolves them, not the other way around. And ego is a falsifier. Their egos makes them to see the world with their own idealized, narrow lenses, and anything that doesn't fit the lenses with which they tend to view the narrow-scope of their idealized reality is just downright discarded and/or distorted and twisted to fit their personal lenses.

By the end of it all, I don't think that it is Muslims, Christians, Jews, Atheists, Hindus etc. that would be proven wrong, but rather egoistic people that would be proven wrong, whether those egoistic people subscribe to Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Science, Hinduism etc.
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" probabilities"

Kindly exist this "probability" zone to enter the certainty zone, please.
Right friend, please?

Regards
 
Evangelicalhumanist

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Saint Frankenstein said:
Why would you or anyone else think that different people from different cultures with different personalities and different life experiences should all hold the same beliefs, that this was feasible or even desirable?
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You focus on our differences, and wonder why I should think that we may still hold similar beliefs?

Because I focus on what we share in common -- first and foremost, that we are all human. We share brains that work in the same way, all over the world. We build languages, however different they may look and sound, that all contain exactly the same elements: nouns, verbs, adjectives, number, intention, etc. We cover ourselves in clothing and buildings that may look different, but all share very essential features.

Go back to when the Spanish first encountered the civilizations of Central and South America: it took almost no time before they could talk to and understand one another, because while they at first had no language in common, they had no difficulty at all in recognizing so much that they shared in common. Buildings used for living, for trade, for religion. Clothing used for modesty or for majesty. The fact that they all told stories that contain huge similarities.
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
Brian2 said:
Of course atheists, as I have heard, have no sincere beliefs about there being no God, they just lack a belief in God/s.
But their lack of belief may be sincere.
We can be all so confident because of confirmation bias, the chance of confidence may be close to 100%. Not a full 100% because not all people are that confident about their belief or lack thereof imo
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You sure you heard that? Sincerity
has nothing to do with not believing.

I doubt anyone would question your sincerity if it came up that you don't believe in flying turtles.
 
Saint Frankenstein

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Evangelicalhumanist said:
You focus on our differences, and wonder why I should think that we may still hold similar beliefs?

Because I focus on what we share in common -- first and foremost, that we are all human. We share brains that work in the same way, all over the world. We build languages, however different they may look and sound, that all contain exactly the same elements: nouns, verbs, adjectives, number, intention, etc. We cover ourselves in clothing and buildings that may look different, but all share very essential features.

Go back to when the Spanish first encountered the civilizations of Central and South America: it took almost no time before they could talk to and understand one another, because while they at first had no language in common, they had no difficulty at all in recognizing so much that they shared in common. Buildings used for living, for trade, for religion. Clothing used for modesty or for majesty. The fact that they all told stories that contain huge similarities.
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That's a huge overgeneralization. Even human languages don't all contain the same elements. There's many words and expressions in various languages that have no equivalent in other languages. We're all basically human but have branched out into a bewikdering array of diverse populations and cultures, with their own unique perspectives and folkways. We don't dress the same (there's many ethnic and tribal groups who go around basically naked, still), live in the same environments, necessarily even have "buildings", etc.
 
Evangelicalhumanist

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Saint Frankenstein said:
That's a huge overgeneralization. Even human languages don't all contain the same elements. There's many words and expressions in various languages that have no equivalent in other languages. We're all basically human but have branched out into a bewikdering array of diverse populations and cultures, with their own unique perspectives and folkways. We don't dress the same (there's many ethnic and tribal groups who go around basically naked, still), live in the same environments, necessarily even have "buildings", etc.
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Any good analyst will tell you that you get nowhere focusing only on the differences or the exceptions. Look for what's common, and you'll find plenty.
 
Saint Frankenstein

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Evangelicalhumanist said:
Any good analyst will tell you that you get nowhere focusing only on the differences or the exceptions. Look for what's common, and you'll find plenty.
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We're not the same, sorry. We should be preserving what little diversity is left in the world. I'm opposed to proselytism, regardless of it comes from atheists, theists or anyone else.
 
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