What are the consequences of mocking God?

[Riverwolf]

The consequences of mocking God, which basically means living like there is no God and ignoring his teachings, are alcoholism, sexual diseases, drug addiction, diabetes, cancer, divorce, jail, death.

Uh... except for death (which is universally inevitable for these bodies), there are plenty of atheists who may have mocked God without those things. In fact, I'd propose to you that there are more theists who have to go through those things than atheists.

 

[darkendless]

Who here actually mocks God instead of the rediculous individuals who claim to speak for him making themselves publicly famous for their idiotic behaviour?

 

[Penumbra]

I'd imagine that an omnimax being would view human ridicule as a non-issue, or as cute, or as a phase of growth. To say that a god would somehow be offended or enraged is to make that god look like a human, and a pretty insecure one at that.

Plus god is such a vague term. It could include some being that is separate from reality or it could include some being that encompasses all of reality and all beings within it. In the latter, I guess that if a being mocks god, god is actually mocking itself.

-Lyn

 

[Man of Faith]

I don't think you should go that far.
I remember when authority would come down on everyone in the group...
just because one participant failed in someway.

But as we stand before God...
I expect to be held to my sayings, and my actions.

If I can be held accountable for your misdeed....
should I not hunt you down? sword in hand?

I'm talking about in this life, not the afterlife. If someone with a sexual blood disease gives blood, it can spread to others. If someone drives drunk they can kill others.

 

[Man of Faith]

Uh... except for death (which is universally inevitable for these bodies), there are plenty of atheists who may have mocked God without those things. In fact, I'd propose to you that there are more theists who have to go through those things than atheists.

When it comes to mocking God, there is no distinction between atheist and theist. Of course all of God's punishments for sin affect everyone. Like cancer, diseases not related to lifestyle, mosquitos, snakes, thorns, etc...

 

[Thief]

When it comes to mocking God, there is no distinction between atheist and theist. Of course all of God's punishments for sin affect everyone. Like cancer, diseases not related to lifestyle, mosquitos, snakes, thorns, etc...

So...you made the assumption that this life is difficult because someone else...long ago....offended God?

 

[Man of Faith]

So...you made the assumption that this life is difficult because someone else...long ago....offended God?

That's what the Biblical says.

 

[Thief]

That's what the Biblical says.

The bible isn't carried by every one.
And any one can offend God.

Do you expect to be held accountable for what someone else told you?
Or would you prefer to be held to your own words?

Careful...
It's a trick question.

 

[jml03]

Consider the alternative.....

Someday I will die.
I will have only one desire waiting for me....to stand up.
I will try.

If I succeed....Someone will coming looking to see what came up from the dust.

They will ask of me a question, and when I reply....one of two things will happen.
I will be allowed to follow...or not.

If I am allowed to follow, it will be that I said what I should have.
It will be evident...I know well enough...I know better.

As we proceed, They will also ask if I told anyone else.
If I say 'no', They will proceed without me, as I did not relieve my fellowman, of his ignorance.
If I know better and say nothing....
Am I any better than the devil, who would have you ignorant?

But of course, if I speak and then report who I spoke to....
That's when your name comes up.

They will come looking for you.

This just sounds beautiful. Thank you.

 

[jml03]

Bla bla bla, more tHeospam holy babble.

I've got better things to do than listen to your unsubstantiated babble.

Off to the ignore list with you.

"Thief" is an approapiate username for you, since all you do is steal bandwidth for your theospam.

ummm, hello? What do you think this is? The topic is "What are the consequences of mocking God". Did you only believe that those who agree with you would add comments? The funny thing to this topic is, for their to be so many people that believe God does not exist on this thread, there sure are alot of comments about it.

I mean, if there is a topic that has something in the title I am totally in disbelief about, I probably wouldn't comment on it because it is not real or totally unimportant to me. hmmm.

 

[jml03]

Let's run with that for just a moment.

If all that you did was perfect on each and every occasion....
would your 'creations' pronounce your glorious handiwork?
Of course.
And there would never be anything else.

If not.... then do you live with every mistake?
Would you place each poor performance alongside every good one?
As if there is no difference.

But then we are talking about God.

Will He allow denial and mockery to sit at His table?
Along side grace and benevolence.

I believe if someone mocks God thru total ignorance of Him, then it is different. But I agree with your post.

 

[jml03]

Actually, I have noticed that unconsciousness shuts down physical perception, thoughts, and feelings. You should have noticed that as well, assuming that you lose consciousness just about every night of your life.

When I'm asleep, sometimes I dream. These dreams cause my mind to think and if it's a scary,happy, sad, etc. dream, I feel that way in it.

 

[Ordeet]

Maybe one of the consequences is getting kicked out of the museum for laughing too loudly.

 

[Copernicus]

When I'm asleep, sometimes I dream. These dreams cause my mind to think and if it's a scary,happy, sad, etc. dream, I feel that way in it.

You are describing REM (Rapid Eye Movement) sleep. Most sleep is non-REM sleep, which tends not to be associated with dreaming. People can also lose consciousness totally during comas or under general anesthesia. Consciousness waxes and wanes throughout life, and brain injuries are known to cause unconsciousness. We can conclude, based on empirical observation, that consciousness ceases when the brain dies. We have no absolute proof of that, but the evidence of a relationship between brain activity and consciousness is well-established.

 

[jml03]

You are describing REM (Rapid Eye Movement) sleep. Most sleep is non-REM sleep, which tends not to be associated with dreaming. People can also lose consciousness totally during comas or under general anesthesia. Consciousness waxes and wanes throughout life, and brain injuries are known to cause unconsciousness. We can conclude, based on empirical observation, that consciousness ceases when the brain dies. We have no absolute proof of that, but the evidence of a relationship between brain activity and consciousness is well-established.

So we are not unconscious when we sleep? Seriously, is that what you mean? is the REM sleep - well does it mean that we are still partially conscious?

 

[Thief]

You are describing REM (Rapid Eye Movement) sleep. Most sleep is non-REM sleep, which tends not to be associated with dreaming. People can also lose consciousness totally during comas or under general anesthesia. Consciousness waxes and wanes throughout life, and brain injuries are known to cause unconsciousness. We can conclude, based on empirical observation, that consciousness ceases when the brain dies. We have no absolute proof of that, but the evidence of a relationship between brain activity and consciousness is well-established.

Not well said.

You have no absolute proof...
yet there is a well established relationship?

Last I heard...on one of those science documentaries...
The relationship between mind and brain is not understood.
It can be demonstrated, there is brain activity when your awareness is in play...
but this is not proof your awareness fails when your brain fails.

But then of course...you think, you are the sum of your chemistry.

 

[Copernicus]

So we are not unconscious when we sleep? Seriously, is that what you mean? is the REM sleep - well does it mean that we are still partially conscious?

When I said that consciousness "waxes and wanes" throughout our lives, that is what I was saying--that there are states of partial consciousness. Do you consider yourself fully conscious when you are dreaming? I certainly do not. Consciousness is a very slippery subject. We know, for example, that a brain can host more than one consciousness. In cases where the corpus callosum is severed, scientists have conclusively demonstrated that there are two separate consciousnesses that can operate independently of each other. So it is sometimes said that consciousness is something of an illusion. It is probably more accurate to think of a mind as a complex interaction between many levels of consciousness.

You have no absolute proof...
yet there is a well established relationship?

Absolute proof is not a requirement. Reasonable proof is. We have reasonable proof that REM sleep is associated with dreams and non-REM sleep is associated with much lower levels of awareness. Usually, people under general anesthesia are completely unconscious.

Last I heard...on one of those science documentaries...
The relationship between mind and brain is not understood.
It can be demonstrated, there is brain activity when your awareness is in play...but this is not proof your awareness fails when your brain fails.

Not well said. It is a platitude to claim that we do not understand the relationship between the mind and the brain. There are lots of things we understand about it. One of those things is very clearly that one's state of consciousness is fully dependent on the physical state of the brain. We can measure the various states of sleep in terms of physical changes in the brain. We can use MRI technology to take pictures of different patterns of thought. But we cannot yet associate those patterns with all the complex chains of associations that represent thought. We still have a lot to learn, even though we know beyond reasonable doubt that consciousness correlates with physical changes in a brain.

But then of course...you think, you are the sum of your chemistry.

Rubbish. I am not a radical reductionist in the sense that you are talking about here. There is a difference between explaining a system in terms of its component parts and the emergence of the system because of the complex interaction of its components. The mind is an emergent effect of a living brain. It is not the same kind of thing as a physical brain.

 

[Thief]

When I said that consciousness "waxes and wanes" throughout our lives, that is what I was saying--that there are states of partial consciousness. Do you consider yourself fully conscious when you are dreaming? I certainly do not. Consciousness is a very slippery subject. We know, for example, that a brain can host more than one consciousness. In cases where the corpus callosum is severed, scientists have conclusively demonstrated that there are two separate consciousnesses that can operate independently of each other. So it is sometimes said that consciousness is something of an illusion. It is probably more accurate to think of a mind as a complex interaction between many levels of consciousness.


Absolute proof is not a requirement. Reasonable proof is. We have reasonable proof that REM sleep is associated with dreams and non-REM sleep is associated with much lower levels of awareness. Usually, people under general anesthesia are completely unconscious.


Not well said. It is a platitude to claim that we do not understand the relationship between the mind and the brain. There are lots of things we understand about it. One of those things is very clearly that one's state of consciousness is fully dependent on the physical state of the brain. We can measure the various states of sleep in terms of physical changes in the brain. We can use MRI technology to take pictures of different patterns of thought. But we cannot yet associate those patterns with all the complex chains of associations that represent thought. We still have a lot to learn, even though we know beyond reasonable doubt that consciousness correlates with physical changes in a brain.


Rubbish. I am not a radical reductionist in the sense that you are talking about here. There is a difference between explaining a system in terms of its component parts and the emergence of the system because of the complex interaction of its components. The mind is an emergent effect of a living brain. It is not the same kind of thing as a physical brain.

Garbage to you too.

If you truly believe the mind is an emergent effect...
(not the same thing as a physical brain)
Then yes....I shall emerge....altogether.

When I lay down to breath my last breath I shall indeed...emerge.

Of course your going to recant your words...and then rot in the ground.

 

[Copernicus]

If you truly believe the mind is an emergent effect...
(not the same thing as a physical brain)
Then yes....I shall emerge....altogether.

You aren't paying attention. A mind is an emergent effect of a living brain. It is totally dependent on a living brain for its existence. When your brain ceases to exist, so will your consciousness.

When I lay down to breath my last breath I shall indeed...emerge.

There is no good reason to believe that your existence will extend beyond the death of your brain.

Of course your going to recant your words...and then rot in the ground.

Does that thought give you pleasure? I will only "recant" my words when I see a reason to do so. I do not consider that a likely possibility. What I consider likely is that my body will be cremated after I die, and my death will be the end of my existence. What happens to the physical components of my body after I die is of no consequence.

 

[Thief]

You aren't paying attention. A mind is an emergent effect of a living brain. It is totally dependent on a living brain for its existence. When your brain ceases to exist, so will your consciousness.


There is no good reason to believe that your existence will extend beyond the death of your brain.


Does that thought give you pleasure? I will only "recant" my words when I see a reason to do so. I do not consider that a likely possibility. What I consider likely is that my body will be cremated after I die, and my death will be the end of my existence. What happens to the physical components of my body after I die is of no consequence.

Well...
The brain is a collection of neurons.
Top of the line neurons. The best the body has.

Over the years I watch every science documentary I can about the brain.
And on every occasion some new and different discovery blows off what previous scientists thought to be true.

I've even had a brain wave test and mri....and whatever...
I seem to be all in one piece.

I think it odd though.....science is the item that brings forth more questions than answers.

You go on as if science is reliable on all points......never.

Every time science thinks it has a handle on how we function...
some one dies... and then comes back.
Some one has a massive head trauma...and becomes a genius.
Some one takes a bump on the head and becomes a pianist...or a mathematician...or an artist extraordinary....

Correlations?....perhaps.
Put the wires on these people and you will see different strokes for different folks.

But none of that denotes a failure to continue beyond dying.
Only that the connection to the body has been lost.