What are the "facts" of Evolution?

[jarofthoughts]

How do Evolutionists explain how exotic birds got their bright colors? . .

Usually a bird's colours comes from melanin, a pigment derived from the amino acid tyrosine, although some get their colours from the things they eat or from other things in the environment.
Flamingos for instance get their pinkish colour from the carotenoids in crustaceans that are a part of their diet.

 

[painted wolf]

How do Evolutionists explain how exotic birds got their bright colors? . .

Mostly sexual selection and diet.

wa:do

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

How do Evolutionists explain how exotic birds got their bright colors? . .

Females are attracted to the brightest males. Why? Well, because they figure that if a male is hardy enough to survive even while drawing all that attention to himself, then he's tough, smart, etc. and probably good mating material.

So the males get brighter and brighter. Peacocks get peacockier.

That's the theory as I've heard it, anyway.

 

[LuisDantas]

Wishful thinking. So far creationism has shown itself to be completely immune to evidence, logic and reason. What do you think will spell the doom of creationism if these things have had no effect so far?

Societal pressures. Ignorance is becoming far too costly a choice for one to have.

Sure, there will always be evolution-deniers. But they by necessity wield such a strong degree of lack of knowledge that they will soon have an unacceptably hard time trying to participate in the job market and other major parts of society.

 

[Copernicus]

Females are attracted to the brightest males. Why? Well, because they figure that if a male is hardy enough to survive even while drawing all that attention to himself, then he's tough, smart, etc. and probably good mating material.

So the males get brighter and brighter. Peacocks get peacockier.

That's the theory as I've heard it, anyway.

Actually, this has been verified experimentally. Perhaps the most famous example is with guppies. They can develop bright colors when not exposed to dangerous predators, because they attract mates better with the bright colors. In an environment with lots of predators, the ones that blend in with the background tend to proliferate more than the fancier ones. It may be more disappointing to the female guppies, but they have to work with the males they get, drab as those males may be.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

It may be more disappointing to the female guppies, but they have to work with the males they get, drab as those males may be.

But if you pour a little whiskey in the tank, nobody even notices.

 

[Gunfingers]

But if you pour a little whiskey in the tank, nobody even notices.

I have a saying I like to use when I end up picking someone up who's not super attractive.
"We're all god's children in the dark."

 

[Biblestudent_007]

So . . .Evolution isn't associated with Atheism?

 

[Gunfingers]

There's a weak correlation, I'd imagine, but there's no causal link. The association between atheism and evolution is about the same as the association between atheism and every other scientific principle.

 

[outhouse]

So . . .Evolution isn't associated with Atheism?

yes it is

even though christians found it and documented the facts behind it

basically christians discovered evolution and presented the facts

many christians back evolution including a past pope

 

[Gunfingers]

This

yes it is

Seems at odds with this

even though christians found it and documented the facts behind it

basically christians discovered evolution and presented the facts

many christians back evolution including a past pope

Did you mean "no it isn't"? As in "No, evolution is not associated with atheism"?

 

[Copernicus]

Darwin himself was not a believer in the Christian God, although he may have been more of a deist than an atheist. His wife was extremely upset at his lack of religious belief, and his reluctance to upset her more may have delayed his publication of his ideas. In any case, Wallace, who also stumbled on the same principle of natural selection independently, was much more religious.

The theory of evolution has been embraced by religious scientists, because it only contradicts biblical literalism. The doctrine of theistic evolution makes evolution theory palatable to many modern Christians, but surveys of opinion tend to vary according to how questions are framed. I think that a sizable number of people think that they accept evolution theory and that God pretty much created us and all species as they are. People can have contradictory opinions on subjects, especially when it comes to religious topics. For an interesting article on the history of the debate, see Darwin Debated: Religion vs. Evolution.

 

[outhouse]

Seems at odds with this

not really

it cant be associated with both?

atheist in general believe evolution, this does not discount those that are religious and believe

 

[LuisDantas]

So . . .Evolution isn't associated with Atheism?

Not significantly, anyway.

Atheists are evolutionists as a matter of course, but so are many theists. It is a matter of having access to the current knowledge, not one of ideology or religious conviction.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

So . . .Evolution isn't associated with Atheism?

Is the Theory of Plate Tectonics associated with atheism?

Germ Theory?

 

[Biblestudent_007]

Erhm . . . Evolutionist Humanism?

 

[LuisDantas]

Erhm . . . Evolutionist Humanism?

What about it? Evolutionism is not incompatible with either Atheism nor Humanism, of course.

And there are those who extrapolate the concept for evolution to other fields, as well. But it really is a separate matter.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

So . . .Evolution isn't associated with Atheism?

Nope......there are plenty of scientist in that respective field that are theist.

 

[RitalinO.D.]

Not significantly, anyway.

Atheists are evolutionists as a matter of course, but so are many theists. It is a matter of having access to the current knowledge, not one of ideology or religious conviction.

Most times yes, but there are Atheists that are not proponents of evolution, or any theory of the likes. Some don't believe in a God and don't care how it all happened.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Most times yes, but there are Atheists that are not proponents of evolution

I never realized that......