What are the other books of religious groups?

[miodrag]

Who is telling the truth?

God is the Truth. One who knows God, knows the Truth. Those who know God does not have to say anything. Seeing them, you see the truth, they are living it.

Some people understand that "religion" comes from Latin re-ligare or to re-connect. Reconnect what? Us and God. To reestablish a lost relationship between us and God. So, all religions are only one single business. What we call many religions differ in their theologies. Dogma or revelation of God may be more or less accurate, there may be many human speculations involved, compromising the dogma. Which theology will one accept also depends on one's intelligence and sensibility. We usually accept our national or family religion and consider it the best and the only true. That is a child level of belief, like when a child thinks that his father is the strongest and his mother is the most beautiful. It takes growing up, maybe through comparative religion, like you said, to see things from a different perspective. Then you see that all believers are involved in the same business, and even if we are more or less intelligent, God is intelligent enough to recognize our effort to connect with Him and is helping us to establish a relationship with Him. Every serious believer feels this response and connection with God, and thus naturally thinks that one was accepted by God only due to theology and true religion that one followed. Truth is that there are saintly persons in all religions, it only takes some good will to pay attention and find them. God does not consider our intelligence, but how much are we devoted and surrendered. I don't think that there is Satan. If the gate of our heart is closed tightly for God, there is no one else but us holding the keys.

 

[miodrag]

... however it is Kabbalah ,
"is an esoteric method, discipline, and school of thought that originated in Judaism."

Kabbalah is like an option for those who want more. Jews do not need to know anything about Kabbalah to be righteous, but there is more in religion then just being righteous. One may want to get closer to God. Some people feel that call, and we usually call them monks in Christianity. In Judaism, Kabbalah is that mystical path. It is said that it was compiled by Rashbi and his circle, and founded on the experience of Rabbi Akiva. Akiva was a mystic and a saint, so those who want to go that way may find his experience useful.

 

[peacecrusader888]

God is the Truth. One who knows God, knows the Truth. Those who know God does not have to say anything. Seeing them, you see the truth, they are living it.

@miodrag
Is seeing one who knows the “Truth” knows God? I doubt it. What if that one follows the god he believes to be the true God? How can we know the true God?

The true God must have the following attributes:
1. omnipotent (having all power; almighty),
2. omnipresent (present everywhere at the same time), and
3. omniscient (knowing everything including what happened in the past and what will happen in the future).

So, if you would worship a god, be sure that He is the true God. He must have the above attributes.

I am a non-denominational Christian, a plain follower of Jesus Christ. As a Christian, God revealed who He is. He is Jesus Christ. This is in Revelation 22:16. Remember that in Revelation, God is the one talking and John is the one who is writing down what he saw and heard.

We have only one true God (John 17:3) and the others are false gods. Is that logically correct?

 

[peacecrusader888]

Shalom, yes you are correct with your observation of our many books, Torah or the first five books of Moshe being the prime or founding documents of our history and covenant, .... for wisdom and understanding perhaps all the subsequent documents are important for our comprehension ...

However to your question regarding Zohar .... Our tradition suggests that to study it one must first be well versed in all the other books, be of mature age and living a stable, peaceful, lawful life ....

I am hesitant to use the words mystical or magic, to describe it's content, however it is Kabbalah ,
"is an esoteric method, discipline, and school of thought that originated in Judaism."

my understanding is it tries to examine the word of G-d and how each letter and word of creation
existed and created ...

It has sadly been misused and distorted by many modern groups attempting to actually use
the magic of G-d, for their own benefit ...

you asked if i believe in it or belonged to a sect , the answer is essentially NO ... i am but a simple
Orthodox Jew ...
having survived a Death experience i am perhaps motivated to absorb all knowledge that may bring
me to a closer to my Father in Heaven

Shalom u'v Chesed
Eliab ....

@Eliab ben Benjamin
Thanks for elaborating Zohar. So that is also Kabbalah. I have heard Kabbalah which is associated with a famous actress.

Do you know that Jesus, who I believe is the true God, has taken from the Jews to kingdom of God? This is in Matthew 21:42-44, to wit:
22 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, the stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord’s doing, and it is marvelous in our eyes?
23 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
24 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

 

[dchezik]

Different religions have other books to rely on their beliefs. In Christianity, most believe in the Holy Bible alone. What are the other books?
1. Bible, Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, Pearl of Great Price – Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints or Mormons
2. Writings of Ellen G. White like Desire of Ages, Patriarchs and Prophets, – Seventh Day Adventist
3. Bible, Elpis Israel, Eureka by John Thomas – Christadelphians

4. Bible, Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures, Miscellany – Christian Science

5. Bible, Studies in the Scriptures – Jehovah’s Witnesses
6. Qur’an and Hadith - Islam
7. The Secret Doctrine, Isis Unveiled, The Key to Theosophy, and The Voice of the Silence – Theosophy

8. Bible, Unity Magazine, Metaphysical Bible Dictionary – Unity
9. Bible, Jesus Christ is Not God, Power for Abundant Living – Way International

Could you please add other sacred scriptures?

How do we know that what the books that we believe come from the true God? If there are prophecies, they would have come to pass. That god must be omniscient and satisfied one of the three attributes of God.

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The problem is determining when a prophecy is fulfilled or even specifying what the prophecy is. Usually prophecies are stated in such general terms, it's hard to tell when they come to pass. The problem is determining how likely the prophecy is. If I prophesy that the sun will come up tomorrow and it does, does that make me a prophet? What if I say that God told me the year 2015 will have many tragedies and world crises? How could that prophecy be evaluated? Another problem is that the time of occurrence is never specified so you don't know when to expect a prophecy to happen. Now here would be a good prophecy: God told me that on March 4, 2015, there will be a category 4 tornado hit Wheaton Illinois at 11:05 a.m . Now, if that occurred, I might believe in God.
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[peacecrusader888]

@dchezik
How about if the prophecies are like these:
1. “The ambition and motivation for war will be perennial inducements among all races until such inducements are made manifest three years after 1979.” That means, in 1982. What happened in 1982?
2. “Sa ikalawang buwan ng taong ito (1976) ay magkakaroon ng isang “pasalubong” na lubhang ikalulungkot ng daigdig.” [On the second month of this year, there will be a “souvenir from the source” that will sadden the whole world.] What happened in February 1976?

Now, prophecy that will still happen:
On 1986-06-13, the spirit of Ama and subsequently said that there will be a world war which will start from the Philippines, from Spratly Island. The Philippines will be occupied by the Chinese, then the Chinese will leave the country after sometime, and the Philippines will never be desired by any country to occupy forevermore.

 

[peacecrusader888]

That is the problem. There are books that various religions tell us that they are from the true God. How do we know that the books are from the true God?

The true God must have the following attributes:
1. omnipotent (having all power; almighty),
2. omnipresent (present everywhere at the same time), and
3. omniscient (knowing everything including what happened in the past and what will happen in the future).

So, if you would worship a god, be sure that He is the true God. He must have the above attributes.

 

[Kolibri]

That is the problem. There are books that various religions tell us that they are from the true God. How do we know that the books are from the true God?

The true God must have the following attributes:
1. omnipotent (having all power; almighty),
2. omnipresent (present everywhere at the same time), and
3. omniscient (knowing everything including what happened in the past and what will happen in the future).

So, if you would worship a god, be sure that He is the true God. He must have the above attributes.

How do you know that these are the standards for a true God? What is your source material?
(I agree with your #1, but have issues with #2 and your definition of #3 and actually find both #2 and #3 irrelevant to the definition of a god.)

 

[peacecrusader888]

How do you know that these are the standards for a true God? What is your source material?
(I agree with your #1, but have issues with #2 and your definition of #3 and actually find both #2 and #3 irrelevant to the definition of a god.)

@Kolibri
This is from Wikipedia on who God is: “Inmonotheismandhenotheism,God is conceived as theSupreme Beingand principal object offaith.[1]Theconcept of Godas described bytheologianscommonly includes the attributes ofomniscience(infinite knowledge),omnipotence(unlimited power),omnipresence(present everywhere),omnibenevolence(perfect goodness),divine simplicity, and eternal and necessary existence.”

I placed three attributes only: omnipotence, omnipresence, and omniscience. The true God must have at least these attributes. You agree with the first, but find the second and the third “irrelevant”. I will ask you, one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, if you are praying (do you pray?), will the true God hear only those in France and not those in the US? Will He hear those only in New York and not know what the petitions of those in California are? He knows because He is omnipresent, whether you have sinned or not.

Will you believe if He knows when Jesus was born and when he was crucified and died? Would you believe Jesus if He knows that Peter would deny Him three times before the rooster crew that evening? Why would Jesus know these? Because He is the true God.

 

[Kolibri]

@Kolibri
This is from Wikipedia on who God is: “Inmonotheismandhenotheism,God is conceived as theSupreme Beingand principal object offaith.[1]Theconcept of Godas described bytheologianscommonly includes the attributes ofomniscience(infinite knowledge),omnipotence(unlimited power),omnipresence(present everywhere),omnibenevolence(perfect goodness),divine simplicity, and eternal and necessary existence.”

I placed three attributes only: omnipotence, omnipresence, and omniscience. The true God must have at least these attributes. You agree with the first, but find the second and the third “irrelevant”. I will ask you, one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, if you are praying (do you pray?), will the true God hear only those in France and not those in the US? Will He hear those only in New York and not know what the petitions of those in California are? He knows because He is omnipresent, whether you have sinned or not.

Will you believe if He knows when Jesus was born and when he was crucified and died? Would you believe Jesus if He knows that Peter would deny Him three times before the rooster crew that evening? Why would Jesus know these? Because He is the true God.

I said irrelevant because of the meaning of the word God. It basically means "strong one" or "mighty one."

The 1 defining factor of a god is power. The one defining factor of the true God for him to be THE God is "almighty power."

That does not mean that is his only trait. But it is the only trait that qualifies him to be a god.

 

[Kolibri]

@Kolibri
This is from Wikipedia on who God is: “Inmonotheismandhenotheism,God is conceived as theSupreme Beingand principal object offaith.[1]Theconcept of Godas described bytheologianscommonly includes the attributes ofomniscience(infinite knowledge),omnipotence(unlimited power),omnipresence(present everywhere),omnibenevolence(perfect goodness),divine simplicity, and eternal and necessary existence.”

I placed three attributes only: omnipotence, omnipresence, and omniscience. The true God must have at least these attributes. You agree with the first, but find the second and the third “irrelevant”. I will ask you, one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, if you are praying (do you pray?), will the true God hear only those in France and not those in the US? Will He hear those only in New York and not know what the petitions of those in California are? He knows because He is omnipresent, whether you have sinned or not.

Will you believe if He knows when Jesus was born and when he was crucified and died? Would you believe Jesus if He knows that Peter would deny Him three times before the rooster crew that evening? Why would Jesus know these? Because He is the true God.

As far as these other 2 attributes.

God is not omnipresent because he lives in the heavens. He can send either his messengers and/or his holy spirit anywhere. But he has a location, a home.
God is omniscient but he does not use his ability to foresee the future indiscriminately. That would rob us of free will. So he uses it to see or fix certain things so his purposes' fulfillment is guaranteed. But never does he use it to determine individual salvation. So I disagree not with the term omniscient but with your stated definition as regards the future.

 

[Norman]

Different religions have other books to rely on their beliefs. In Christianity, most believe in the Holy Bible alone. What are the other books?
1. Bible, Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, Pearl of Great Price – Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints or Mormons
2. Writings of Ellen G. White like Desire of Ages, Patriarchs and Prophets, – Seventh Day Adventist
3. Bible, Elpis Israel, Eureka by John Thomas – Christadelphians

4. Bible, Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures, Miscellany – Christian Science

5. Bible, Studies in the Scriptures – Jehovah’s Witnesses
6. Qur’an and Hadith - Islam
7. The Secret Doctrine, Isis Unveiled, The Key to Theosophy, and The Voice of the Silence – Theosophy

8. Bible, Unity Magazine, Metaphysical Bible Dictionary – Unity
9. Bible, Jesus Christ is Not God, Power for Abundant Living – Way International

Could you please add other sacred scriptures?

How do we know that what the books that we believe come from the true God? If there are prophecies, they would have come to pass. That god must be omniscient and satisfied one of the three attributes of God.


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Norman: Hipeacecrusader888, Well you already listed the canonical books of my Church; The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I will leave to others of sacred books yet to be listed. Peacecrusader888 said, How do we know know what the books that we believe come from the true God? Norman answer; I believe that Paul and Peter answered that question and If I may I would add Jesus to this also.

1 Corinthians 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

2 Peter 1: 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

If holy writ was written by holy men as moved upon by the Holy Ghost; then a person has to read holy writ and come to know by that same influence; the Holy Ghost, of what is true.

Peacecrusader888 said, If there are prophecies, they would have come to pass. Norman answer: I don’t believe that every prophecy has come to pass. This also would depend on what holy writ one is reading. However, I do believe that many prophecies have come to pass. Many from the Bible have come to pass and many have yet to come to pass. In my Church the Book of Mormon is a prophecy fulfilled. I also believe in the great prophet Amos. Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord God‍ will do nothing, but‍ he revealeth‍ his secret‍ unto his servants the prophets. I believe there has to be true prophets again on the earth.

Peacecrusader888 said, That god must be omniscient and satisfied one of the three attributes of God. Norman answer: Yes, I believe God is Omniscient and I also believe God is Omnipotent and Omnipresent. I believe that God is satisfied when his children on the earth do the best that they can, to do, what God has commanded them. Good Post peacecrusader888.

 

[peacecrusader888]

Norman: Hipeacecrusader888, Well you already listed the canonical books of my Church; The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I will leave to others of sacred books yet to be listed. Peacecrusader888 said, How do we know know what the books that we believe come from the true God? Norman answer; I believe that Paul and Peter answered that question and If I may I would add Jesus to this also.

1 Corinthians 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

2 Peter 1: 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

If holy writ was written by holy men as moved upon by the Holy Ghost; then a person has to read holy writ and come to know by that same influence; the Holy Ghost, of what is true.

Peacecrusader888 said, If there are prophecies, they would have come to pass. Norman answer: I don’t believe that every prophecy has come to pass. This also would depend on what holy writ one is reading. However, I do believe that many prophecies have come to pass. Many from the Bible have come to pass and many have yet to come to pass. In my Church the Book of Mormon is a prophecy fulfilled. I also believe in the great prophet Amos. Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord God‍ will do nothing, but‍ he revealeth‍ his secret‍ unto his servants the prophets. I believe there has to be true prophets again on the earth.

Peacecrusader888 said, That god must be omniscient and satisfied one of the three attributes of God. Norman answer: Yes, I believe God is Omniscient and I also believe God is Omnipotent and Omnipresent. I believe that God is satisfied when his children on the earth do the best that they can, to do, what God has commanded them. Good Post peacecrusader888.

@Norman
Thank you for confirming the canonical books of your Church, Thank you also for citing 1 Corinthians 12:3 and 2 Peter 1:21 that the prophet has to be moved by the Holy Ghost.

Do the canonical books of your church tell us when Jesus was born and when he was crucified and died? If so, please share them with us.

 

[Norman]

@Norman
Thank you for confirming the canonical books of your Church, Thank you also for citing 1 Corinthians 12:3 and 2 Peter 1:21 that the prophet has to be moved by the Holy Ghost.

Do the canonical books of your church tell us when Jesus was born and when he was crucified and died? If so, please share them with us.

Hi peacecrusader, As far as I know the canonical books of my Church is silent on the matter; also to my knowledge the Bible is silent on the
matter. However, some of my Leader's in the past speculated that Jesus was born in April, died in April and was resurrected in April. What are
your thoughts on this?

 

[peacecrusader888]

Hi peacecrusader, As far as I know the canonical books of my Church is silent on the matter; also to my knowledge the Bible is silent on the
matter. However, some of my Leader's in the past speculated that Jesus was born in April, died in April and was resurrected in April. What are
your thoughts on this?

@Norman
So, in the past, your Leaders speculated that “Jesus was born in April, died in April and resurrected in April”. Have you thought that your so-called apostles may have communication with God for God to tell them when Jesus was born and died? Why are your canonical books of Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and Pearl of Great Price silent when these important events happened?

I will tell you that April is wrong when Jesus was born and died. The Holy Bible is not silent on the matter for it guides us of their occurrence.

 

[Norman]

@Norman
So, in the past, your Leaders speculated that “Jesus was born in April, died in April and resurrected in April”. Have you thought that your so-called apostles may have communication with God for God to tell them when Jesus was born and died? Why are your canonical books of Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and Pearl of Great Price silent when these important events happened?

I will tell you that April is wrong when Jesus was born and died. The Holy Bible is not silent on the matter for it guides us of their occurrence.

@peacecrusader888

Norman: You seem to have strayed from your OP #1; I answered that question, now, you seem to be challenging me and my Church, Why? You won’t find the dates of the birth and death of Jesus Christ; all you have peacecrusader888 is pure speculation; just like everyone else. The Bible has clues that can help us pinpoint the approximate year of Christ’s birth, however, attempts to determine the exact date of Christ's birth or death are complicated by a dearth of pertinent historical information and multiple dating systems. In my opinion, why bother. Peacecrusader888 said “your so-called apostles” Norman: What are you trying to imply with this statement? Now, peaccrusader888, if you know the birth, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, kudos to you.

In regards to leaders of my Church, at the same time it should be remembered that not every statement made by a Church leader, past or present, necessarily constitutes doctrine. It is commonly understood in the Church that a statement made by one leader on a single occasion often represents a personal, though well-considered, opinion, not meant to be official or binding for the whole Church. The Prophet Joseph Smith taught that “a prophet [is] a prophet only when he [is] acting as such,”President Clark, quoted earlier, observed: The birth of our Redeemer has not been revealed.

My Church proclaims that Jesus was born of a virgin, suffered and gave up his life freely and was resurrected. The birth of Christ has nothing to do with my salvation. Some of my leaders have differed in their opinions of when Christ was born. It does not make them more right or wrong than any other person who tries to use theories and exegesis to try so hard to know when Jesus was born.

The LDS Church has not taken an official position on the issue of the year of Christ's birth. Bruce R. McConkie, an apostle, offers what for the present appears to be the most definitive word on the question: "We do not believe it is possible with the present state of our knowledge-including that which is known both in and out of the Church-to state with finality when the natal day of the Lord Jesus actually occurred" (Vol. 1, p. 349, n. 2).

Notes:

1. So, why was December 25 chosen to remember Jesus Christ’s birth with a mass (or Communion supper)? Since no one knows the day of his birth, the Roman Catholic Church felt free to chose this date.

2. Jesus told his disciples to memorialize his death, but not his birth. (Luke 22:19)

3. First Century Judaism did not record birthdays.

4. Encyclopedia Judaica, “The celebration of birthdays is unknown in traditional Jewish ritual” (vol.4, p.1054). It points out that the only reference to a birthday in the Bible is that of Pharaoh of Egypt.

Source:

http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/April_6

https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2012/04/the-doctrine-of-christ?lang=eng

http://www.bjeindy.org/resources/library/encyclopediajudaica/

 

[peacecrusader888]

@peacecrusader888

Norman: You seem to have strayed from your OP #1; I answered that question, now, you seem to be challenging me and my Church, Why? You won’t find the dates of the birth and death of Jesus Christ; all you have peacecrusader888 is pure speculation; just like everyone else. The Bible has clues that can help us pinpoint the approximate year of Christ’s birth, however, attempts to determine the exact date of Christ's birth or death are complicated by a dearth of pertinent historical information and multiple dating systems. In my opinion, why bother. Peacecrusader888 said “your so-called apostles” Norman: What are you trying to imply with this statement? Now, peaccrusader888, if you know the birth, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, kudos to you.

In regards to leaders of my Church, at the same time it should be remembered that not every statement made by a Church leader, past or present, necessarily constitutes doctrine. It is commonly understood in the Church that a statement made by one leader on a single occasion often represents a personal, though well-considered, opinion, not meant to be official or binding for the whole Church. The Prophet Joseph Smith taught that “a prophet [is] a prophet only when he [is] acting as such,”President Clark, quoted earlier, observed: The birth of our Redeemer has not been revealed.

My Church proclaims that Jesus was born of a virgin, suffered and gave up his life freely and was resurrected. The birth of Christ has nothing to do with my salvation. Some of my leaders have differed in their opinions of when Christ was born. It does not make them more right or wrong than any other person who tries to use theories and exegesis to try so hard to know when Jesus was born.

The LDS Church has not taken an official position on the issue of the year of Christ's birth. Bruce R. McConkie, an apostle, offers what for the present appears to be the most definitive word on the question: "We do not believe it is possible with the present state of our knowledge-including that which is known both in and out of the Church-to state with finality when the natal day of the Lord Jesus actually occurred" (Vol. 1, p. 349, n. 2).

Notes:

1. So, why was December 25 chosen to remember Jesus Christ’s birth with a mass (or Communion supper)? Since no one knows the day of his birth, the Roman Catholic Church felt free to chose this date.

2. Jesus told his disciples to memorialize his death, but not his birth. (Luke 22:19)

3. First Century Judaism did not record birthdays.

4. Encyclopedia Judaica, “The celebration of birthdays is unknown in traditional Jewish ritual” (vol.4, p.1054). It points out that the only reference to a birthday in the Bible is that of Pharaoh of Egypt.

Source:

http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/April_6

https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2012/04/the-doctrine-of-christ?lang=eng

http://www.bjeindy.org/resources/library/encyclopediajudaica/

@Norman
No, I am not straying from my OP#1. I am saying is that it is the Holy Bible that we have to rely on only and not the other books promoted by different churches as holy scriptures that came from the true God. Your church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, promotes other books, such as Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, Pearl of Great Price. I believe they are not from the true God. Pick out what you think is good and discard what is bad.

True that the date of the birth and death of Jesus Christ is not explicitly stated in the Holy Bible, but the spirit of Ama tells us (plural) that Jesus was born on 05-23 and died on 08-17. Using mainly the Holy Bible, I was able to prove that they are correct and true in the studies that I conducted from 1999 to 2006. Not in April as your Leaders speculated.

 

[Kolibri]

@Norman
No, I am not straying from my OP#1. I am saying is that it is the Holy Bible that we have to rely on only and not the other books promoted by different churches as holy scriptures that came from the true God. Your church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, promotes other books, such as Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, Pearl of Great Price. I believe they are not from the true God. Pick out what you think is good and discard what is bad.

True that he date of the birth and death of Jesus Christ is not explicitly states in the Holy Bible, but the spirit of Ama tells us (plural) that Jesus was born on 05-23 and died on 08-17. Using mainly the Holy Bible, I was able to prove that they are correct and true in the studies that I conducted from 1999 to 2006. Not in April as your Leaders speculated.

Are you saying the Jewish Passover was/is not March/April? The Gospel accounts clearly state that Jesus died on the Passover. 1 Corinthians 5:7 even calls the "Christ our Passover lamb."

"In the first month, on the 14th day of the month, at twilight (Lit., "between the two evenings.") is the Passover to Jehovah." - Leviticus 23:5

 

[Norman]

@Norman
No, I am not straying from my OP#1. I am saying is that it is the Holy Bible that we have to rely on only and not the other books promoted by different churches as holy scriptures that came from the true God. Your church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, promotes other books, such as Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, Pearl of Great Price. I believe they are not from the true God. Pick out what you think is good and discard what is bad.

True that the date of the birth and death of Jesus Christ is not explicitly stated in the Holy Bible, but the spirit of Ama tells us (plural) that Jesus was born on 05-23 and died on 08-17. Using mainly the Holy Bible, I was able to prove that they are correct and true in the studies that I conducted from 1999 to 2006. Not in April as your Leaders speculated.

/Quote/Norman: Hi peacecrusader888, This was your origin
Different religions have other books to rely on their beliefs. In Christianity, most believe in the Holy Bible alone. What are the other books?
1. Bible, Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, Pearl of Great Price – Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints or Mormons
2. Writings of Ellen G. White like Desire of Ages, Patriarchs and Prophets, – Seventh Day Adventist
3. Bible, Elpis Israel, Eureka by John Thomas – Christadelphians

4. Bible, Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures, Miscellany – Christian Science

5. Bible, Studies in the Scriptures – Jehovah’s Witnesses
6. Qur’an and Hadith - Islam
7. The Secret Doctrine, Isis Unveiled, The Key to Theosophy, and The Voice of the Silence – Theosophy

8. Bible, Unity Magazine, Metaphysical Bible Dictionary – Unity
9. Bible, Jesus Christ is Not God, Power for Abundant Living – Way International

Could you please add other sacred scriptures?

How do we know that what the books that we believe come from the true God? If there are prophecies, they would have come to pass. That god must be omniscient and satisfied one of the three attributes of God.

/Qoute/ Norman Reply Post#32

Norman: Hipeacecrusader888, Well you already listed the canonical books of my Church; The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I will leave to others of sacred books yet to be listed. Peacecrusader888 said, How do we know know what the books that we believe come from the true God? Norman answer; I believe that Paul and Peter answered that question and If I may I would add Jesus to this also.

1 Corinthians 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

2 Peter 1: 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

If holy writ was written by holy men as moved upon by the Holy Ghost; then a person has to read holy writ and come to know by that same influence; the Holy Ghost, of what is true.

Peacecrusader888 said, If there are prophecies, they would have come to pass. Norman answer: I don’t believe that every prophecy has come to pass. This also would depend on what holy writ one is reading. However, I do believe that many prophecies have come to pass. Many from the Bible have come to pass and many have yet to come to pass. In my Church the Book of Mormon is a prophecy fulfilled. I also believe in the great prophet Amos. Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord God‍ will do nothing, but‍ he revealeth‍ his secret‍ unto his servants the prophets. I believe there has to be true prophets again on the earth.

Peacecrusader888 said, That god must be omniscient and satisfied one of the three attributes of God. Norman answer: Yes, I believe God is Omniscient and I also believe God is Omnipotent and Omnipresent. I believe that God is satisfied when his children on the earth do the best that they can, to do, what God has commanded them. Good Post peacecrusader888. /End of Quote/

Norman: I answered your four questions peacecrusader888, what was missing from your OP is after listing some holy writ books you should have stated that you do not believe in any of them but you would like to know what they are? You also started attacking the Jehovah Witnesses in the thread who I highly esteem and are good friends of mine. So, I have some advice for you; stay with your original OP in the future. I have highlighted in red, what I would like to reemphasize. If you don't like my Church and believe in our Canon, that is your privilege, however, if you really had the holy ghost with you, you would not be acting this way. I suggest you learn how to debate. If you want to go back to your original OP, I will further talk with you, if not, chow.

 

[Norman]

@Kolibri
In our (plural) sessions with the spirit of Ama, He emphasizes to us to use our intelligence to discern the truth. We have to broaden our minds. He said that even if the devil is talking about God, we pick up the good things he says. However, we have to scrutinize what he says because within the good things he says, there are things that are inserted which are smelly and rotten. It is with the nice things that the bad things are mixed.

Norman: peacecrudader888, why don't you stick with your OP?