What are the top 10 things you want the government to do?

[Darkness]

1. Stop acting like a fix all to every problem and someone to blame all your problems on. Realize that people need to fix their own problems and that no amount of legislation can make people behave responsibly.

The state stepping in to correct the aberrations of capitalism is fixing our own problems. The state is an expression of our democratic will. Conservatives create a fantasy world where there are no socio-economic factors influencing peoples actions and decisions. They have convinced themselves that a kid growing up in Newark, New Jersey has the same chances to live the American dream as a rich kid, who's parents make sure she goes to Yale or Harvard.

 

[Revoltingest]

They have convinced themselves that a kid growing up in Newark, New Jersey has the same chances to live the American dream as a rich kid, who's parents make sure she goes to Yale or Harvard.

They (we?) think that? There's a surprise.
The real belief is that everyone has a chance to succeed, but life is never fair.

 

[Magic Man]

The real belief is that everyone has a chance to succeed, but life is never fair.

That would be much better, but it's not what many conservatives espouse. Plus, not everyone even has the chance to succeed, although I'm not sure the government can make that a reality anyway, no matter what they do.

 

[Darkness]

They (we?) think that? There's a surprise.
The real belief is that everyone has a chance to succeed, but life is never fair.

No, you guys (libertarians) have a more evolved theory than that. Conservatives are crazy. Libertarians are crazy too, but are usually very smart.

 

[Reverend Rick]

The state stepping in to correct the aberrations of capitalism is fixing our own problems. The state is an expression of our democratic will. Conservatives create a fantasy world where there are no socio-economic factors influencing peoples actions and decisions. They have convinced themselves that a kid growing up in Newark, New Jersey has the same chances to live the American dream as a rich kid, who's parents make sure she goes to Yale or Harvard.

At least you can admit your agenda. Thanks for being so honest about it.

Thank God folks like you only amount to about 20% of the population.

I have been feeling the assault now for almost two years, I can't wait for November when the "democratic will" will be in your face. :yes:

 

[Mister_T]

I'm sure I have way more than 10, but here's the ones off the top of my head:

1) Make sure everyone here has all the basic necessities of a civilized and prosperous nation, like healthcare.

2) Fix our immigration system so that it is fair, non-discriminatory and does not divide/separate families.

3) Stop turning this country into a police state. Police/Law enforcement have way too much authority and far too many of them abuse that authority on a regular basis and the poor soul that falls victim to their abuses have virtually no say, rights or ground to stand on, despite claims to the contrary. On the flip side, stop letting people like child-rapists/murderers get through the cracks of justice like we do currently, only to have them do it again. If they do, promptly put that person out their misery, preferably by the parents.

4) Have America live up to it's title and have this place be a little more "free" than what it currently is. Outlawing something like happy meals being sold at McDonalds because they're unhealthy, is going way too far. Getting rid of the Patriot Act also goes hand-in-hand with this. There's too many redundant and unecessary laws that are there just to create revenue for the state government at your expense.

5) Make gay marriage legal. If individual churches don't want to marry gay people, that's their perogative, but marriage is not exclusive to religions.

6) Stop outsourcing all of our damn jobs to foreign countries for dirt-cheap labor, getting around regulations, tax breaks etc. YOU are what is destroying the job market in America, not illegal immigrants.

7) Regulate Wall Street, the housing and bank sectors, insurance companies, etc, properly. We've seen what happens when we let these clowns that are "the private sector" regulate themselves: Uncontrolled greed at everyone elses expense. We do not need anymore economic meltdowns, thanks.

8) Start having the FDA start taking a serious look at natural or low-cost cures for disease like cancer, instead of having sit in clinical trial-limbo because drug companies can't get a patent on them and make tons of cash. Also, stop pumping our food full of chemicals, hormones and various other unnatural crap that is made by some of them same companies previously mentioned.

9) Get serious about perserving our enviorment and stuff like global warming. It's a serious problem and it's not going to go away just because some people want to ignore it.

10) Only send military into foreign countries if those people really need our help. Don't send them there for special interests (like oil) that are anything but stopping the bad guys from causing harm to others.

 

[Darkness]

At least you can admit your agenda. Thanks for being so honest about it.

Thank God folks like you only amount to about 20% of the population.

I have been feeling the assault now for almost two years, I can't wait for November when the "democratic will" will be in your face. :yes:

You're welcome. And, to be clear, I am favourable to a parliamentary system. If the Republicans are going to win control, let them have control of the Executive as well.

 

[Revoltingest]

No, you guys (libertarians) have a more evolved theory than that. Conservatives are crazy. Libertarians are crazy too, but are usually very smart.

We're all crazy. The trick is to correctly discern just which kind of crazy. I think some of youz guyz are
letting your insults of conservatives become your understanding of them. I prescribe more empathy.

 

[Darkness]

We're all crazy. The trick is to correctly discern just which kind of crazy. I think some of youz guyz are
letting your insults of conservatives become your understanding of them. I prescribe more empathy.

My entire family is conservative and I love them. Though, it's hard to keep sane when they consider anyone a Stalinist if they do not support the NRA, but they douse the Constitution in gasoline, light it on fire and throw it out the window when some Muslims want to build a Mosque. Even though, I have serious moral problems with the libertarian belief that negative liberty is enough, I give you guys credit for being philosophically consistent. American conservatives are schizophrenic.

 

[Reverend Rick]

American conservatives are schizophrenic.

I believe it is a necessary ingredient for success these days.

 

[Mathematician]

They (we?) think that? There's a surprise.
The real belief is that everyone has a chance to succeed, but life is never fair.

If life isn't fair, then why should I care what the state does to you so long as it benefits me?

 

[Reverend Rick]

1. Lead
2. Follow
3. Get the hell out of the way

Rinse and repeat as nessessary

 

[justbehappy]

I am sorry. That was a typo. I meant to say, "We can envision a theoretical society where the government merely finances a host of military companies that carry out its will in defence matters.

Wait, what are you saying? How is it private if the governmnt is funding it...?

 

[justbehappy]

No, I'm not suggesting that. You should pay more attention.

I think you take what I say too literally. With your logic, wouldn't everything a governmen does for us with our tax money be publicly owned?

You still seemed to be confused by the terms "democracy" and "socialism". A democracy is the way the country is run politically. Socialism is the way the economy and government programs are run. Something can be socialist and democratic. They really aren't related.

I understand what you're sayin by that, but I don't see how something can be called _____ist (another system of government) if the country is not that system AND the policy fits the current government's system of law.

There is no such thing as a socialist country in the world today.

Thank God

There are democratic countries that employ socialism.

But as far as I know there are no countries that consider themselves Social Democracies. It is simply a democracy. If a country has adopted a policy and the policy is Constitutional, it becomes a democratic policy under my logic. If it is not adopted and/or Unconstitutional (for Constitutional Republics) you would call it whatever government system it came from.

There is socialism and there is democracy. Both can coexist in the same country.

Very true. But to this day only a certain amount Socialistic policies - true Socialism has not yet existed in a Democratic country if I'm not mistaken. And if it has it obviously failed since it's not around anymore.

 

[justbehappy]

The state stepping in to correct the aberrations of capitalism is fixing our own problems.
Yeah, by force. It's not changing our moral attitude to them one bit. Freedom much?

They have convinced themselves that a kid growing up in Newark, New Jersey has the same chances to live the American dream as a rich kid, who's parents make sure she goes to Yale or Harvard.

This is why I support educational funding like college grants but not giveaways. Welfare just continues a cycle of the poor living off the government. With proper education funding, the poor kid could have the same chances of going to Yale or Harvard as the rich kid. And that is fair. Giveaways are not, and they nothing but keep people's financials in decent shape, rather than helping them move up. Welfare doesn't make the poor poorer, but it definitely keeps them still poor.

 

[justbehappy]

Plus, not everyone even has the chance to succeed, although I'm not sure the government can make that a reality anyway, no matter what they do.

This is exactly right. The government can't make everyone happy, it can't make everyone be content with their lives, and it can't make everyone completely agree with its choices. There is no 'right answer.' But I think that having the most amount of freedom possible allows for the most happiness possible.

 

[justbehappy]

No, you guys (libertarians) have a more evolved theory than that. Conservatives are crazy. Libertarians are crazy too, but are usually very smart.

Am I super crazy but very smart then?

 

[Darkness]

Wait, what are you saying? How is it private if the governmnt is funding it...?

The soldiers would be working for private companies and the government would be paying those private companies for military services.

This is why I support educational funding like college grants but not giveaways. Welfare just continues a cycle of the poor living off the government. With proper education funding, the poor kid could have the same chances of going to Yale or Harvard as the rich kid. And that is fair. Giveaways are not, and they nothing but keep people's financials in decent shape, rather than helping them move up. Welfare doesn't make the poor poorer, but it definitely keeps them still poor.

So, if your educational programs fail, those who slip through the cracks are screwed and so are their children as long as they are living with their parents. Why can't we use high educational spending and a welfare state? The two work in tandem.

Am I super crazy but very smart then?

Yeah. Now, read your visitor messages crazy girl. :yes:

 

[Revoltingest]

My entire family is conservative and I love them. Though, it's hard to keep sane when they consider anyone a Stalinist if they do not support the NRA, but they douse the Constitution in gasoline, light it on fire and throw it out the window when some Muslims want to build a Mosque. Even though, I have serious moral problems with the libertarian belief that negative liberty is enough, I give you guys credit for being philosophically consistent. American conservatives are schizophrenic.

Libertarians believe in "negative liberty"? I've never even heard of such an oxymoronic thing, let alone believe in it.

Family....now there's an affliction which will twist the mind. Be thankful that I do not judge all lefties by the examples in my own.

 

[Revoltingest]

If life isn't fair, then why should I care what the state does to you so long as it benefits me?

I don't know what motivates you, so I cannot answer that. Personally though, I see the state's role as preserving civil liberties,
allowing people to succeed (or not) by their own abilities & opportunities. It is not their role to do anything to me.