What are your thoughts on Near Death Experiences?

[IndigoChild5559]

Ahh, contradictory then?

The Bible does have contradictions and different takes on things.

 

[PearlSeeker]

What's your point? Are you suggesting that people can ignore those parts of the Bible they disagree with?

No. There were just different beliefs about afterlife. Bible is not unison about this. That's why in the Second temple period Sadducees believed as you said but Jesus and Pharisees believed differently.

 

[Praise Jah]

That’s not all of the Bible.

Ecclesiastes 9:5; Ecclesiastes 9:10; Psalms 146:4

 

[Praise Jah]

WHAT?!? No Heaven? The Bible says "No Heaven"? Cool.

God selects a limited number of faithful Christians who, after their death, will be resurrected to life in heaven. (1 Peter 1:3-4) The Bible indicates that 144,000 people will be resurrected to heavenly life. (Revelation 7:4)

The 144,000 will rule alongside Jesus as kings and priests for 1,000 years. (Revelation 5:9-10; Revelation 20:6). The 144,000 will be a part of God’s Kingdom, a real government that is both located in heaven and rules from heaven. It is established by Jehovah God. (Matthew 6:10; Mark 1:14-15; Matthew 4:17). God's Kingdom will rule over the earth.

Jesus along with the 144,000 heavenly co-rulers will restore mankind to the righteous and perfect conditions that Jehovah God originally intended. Those who love Jehovah will live forever on a peaceful paradise earth. (Isaiah 35:1, Isaiah 35:5-6; Psalms 37:29; Revelation 21:1-4)

 

[ecco]

No, clearly he was saying that you can't base your theology on just one verse, when there are many other verses that say something quite different.

Perhaps you should let him speak for himself.

However, to your point...
If there are so money contradictory verses, it doesn't make scripture a very good source for morals or knowledge or anything else.

Comments like yours always remind me of the opening song in A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Forum:

Something familiar,
Something peculiar,
Something for everyone:
A comedy tonight!

Something appealing,
Something appalling,
Something for everyone:
A comedy tonight!​

 

[ecco]

The 144,000 will rule alongside Jesus as kings and priests for 1,000 years. (Revelation 5:9-10; Revelation 20:6). The 144,000 will be a part of God’s Kingdom, a real government that is both located in heaven and rules from heaven. It is established by Jehovah God. (Matthew 6:10; Mark 1:14-15; Matthew 4:17). God's Kingdom will rule over the earth.

Which of these tribes are you a member of?

Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. 6Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. 7Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. 8Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.
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I don't believe that any members of these tribes back then were Christians.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Perhaps you should let him speak for himself.

However, to your point...
If there are so money contradictory verses, it doesn't make scripture a very good source for morals or knowledge or anything else.

Oh, it's not "a lot." But certainly some. And it doesn't diminish it as someplace you can go to focus on spiritual and moral things. A perfect text simply is not necessary.

 

[Aupmanyav]

"What are your thoughts on Near Death Experiences?"
Hallucinations because of either carbon di-oxide or carbon mono-oxide in brain at that time.

 

[PearlSeeker]

If there are so money contradictory verses, it doesn't make scripture a very good source for morals or knowledge or anything else.

Is science a good source of knowledge? Yes? But older theories differ from newer ones. That's not bad. It's just evolution. The same with biblical teachings and interpretations.

 

[ecco]

Oh, it's not "a lot." But certainly some. And it doesn't diminish it as someplace you can go to focus on spiritual and moral things. A perfect text simply is not necessary.

Perhaps you are right. There is no need to ask for unambiguity. Best to go with the majority of the verses for clarity on morals.
There is a lot of text supporting slavery and little that condemns it.
There is a lot of text indicting women are chattel and little that condemns it.

 

[ecco]

Is science a good source of knowledge? Yes? But older theories differ from newer ones. That's not bad. It's just evolution. The same with biblical teachings and interpretations.

Do you really want to conflate scientific knowledge with interpretations of Biblical verses?

In science knowledge, a geocentric solar system view was replaced with a heliocentric view.

Biblical interpretations are all over the place. There are people who are Young Earth Creationists, there are people who take Genesis as allegory. There are people who insist the Gospel writers were eyewitnesses to Jesus' words and actions. There are people who question the existence of Jesus.

The same is true with Biblical teachings resulting in thousands of different Christian denominations and sects.

 

[Praise Jah]

Which of these tribes are you a member of?

Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. 6Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. 7Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. 8Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.
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I don't believe that any members of these tribes back then were Christians.

I am not one of the 144,000 annointed Christians who inherit life in heaven. My hope is being a part of the great crowd without number who will inherit everlasting life on a peaceful paradise earth. (Matthew 5:5) (Revelation 7:9)

The 12 tribes of Israel listed in Revelation chapter 7 are not natural Israel. It is spiritual Israel, the Israel of God. (Galatians 6:16) (Romans 2:29) (Romans 9:6)

The natural Jews and Jewish proselytes were given the first opportunity to be chosen to make up the entirety of the 144,000 of spiritual Israel, but only a minority of that nation responded. The majority rejected the Lamb, Jesus Christ which is why Jesus told them that the kingdom of God would be taken from them and given to a nation producing its fruits. (Matthew 21:43)

Jehovah therefore extended the invitation to the Gentiles which meant now non-Jews could be sealed with God's spirit and become part of the congregation of 144,000 anointed Christians who make up spiritual Israel, the Israel of God. (1 Peter 1:29) (Ephesians 3:5-6)

Also, the 12 tribes of Israel listed in Revelation chapter 7 cannot be the 12 tribes of natural Israel listed at Numbers chapter 1. The listings between the two do not match.

In Revelation it mentions the tribe of Levi, but the Levites were set aside for service in connection with the temple and were not reckoned as or listed as one of the 12 tribes in the book of Numbers. (Numbers 1:47)

The tribe of Joseph is mentioned in Revelation. There never was a tribe of Joseph and it is not included in the list of the 12 tribes of natural Israel in the book of Numbers.

Revelation 7:4 says that people would be sealed out of every tribe of the sons of Israel, but the tribes of Dan and Ephraim are not mentioned and are not included on the list.

And so, again, the 12 tribes of Israel listed in Revelation chapter 7 are not natural Israel. It is spiritual Israel, the Israel of God. (Galatians 6:16) (Romans 2:29) (Romans 9:6)

 

[ecco]

I am not one of the 144,000 annointed Christians who inherit life in heaven. My hope is being a part of the great crowd without number who will inherit everlasting life on a peaceful paradise earth. (Matthew 5:5) (Revelation 7:9)

Oh, OK.