What came before the Big Bang?

[outhouse]

A black hole contains information.

You just love making unsubstantiated claims.


You cannot substantiate that.

We know information goes in. Once in WE DONT KNOW. :slap:

 

[Thief]

We know things and are learning things about black holes. It is amazing they were predicted before observing their effects.

Lets start here on things we DO know, as far as attributes to such an event as the big bang. A black hole contains information.

Saw that documentary about Suskind vs Hawkins....

I think H. gave up to easily.

 

[Thief]

You just love making unsubstantiated claims.


You cannot substantiate that.

We know information goes in. Once in WE DONT KNOW. :slap:

and you just love that unsubstantiated crutch.......don't you?

 

[godnotgod]

What is wrong with agreeing that we don’t know what came before the big bang? :computer:

Because there was no 'before', as Time, according to BB theorists, only began at the moment of inception. The BB cannot have occurred in Time. And so, if there was no 'before' then there could only have been Timelessness, which, essentially, is this Present Moment we now experience on a continuous basis.

 

[outhouse]

Because there was no 'before', as Time, according to BB theorists, only began at the moment of inception. The BB cannot have occurred in Time. And so, if there was no 'before' then there could only have been Timelessness, which, essentially, is this Present Moment we now experience on a continuous basis.

You know none of that to be true. It is 100% substantiated.

Our universe time started with the BB, but it could have been inside another universe time space, that would also be considered time as well.

There may be other universe with other time. So time could factually exist prior to the BB. Just not our time.

 

[godnotgod]

You know none of that to be true. It is 100% substantiated.

It may be unsubstantiated, but the logic follows. Show me where the logic is faulty.

Our universe time started with the BB, but it could have been inside another universe time space, that would also be considered time as well.

There may be other universe with other time. So time could factually exist prior to the BB. Just not our time.

So you are trying to say that the state of timelessness can be encapsulated by something governed by time? How so?

 

[Robert.Evans]

Because we don't know. Again, a supermassive blackhole that exploded would look like, and leave the same evidence we see today.


But at this time Israelite mythology has no bearing on this reality what so ever.

It Is idiocy and a perversion to try and place any aspect of mythology into reality that is not addressed by this mythology.

There not need be any sign or spark for a natural occurring event.

And what are you calling 'a natural occurring event'. What do you mean 'natural'?

 

[Robert.Evans]

Yes, I can. What if the 'something' you think is real happens to be an illusion on a level much higher than the garden variety illusion we all know and love? After all, you must admit that recent knowledge about the atom tells us that it is over 99.99999% empty space, with the rest being energy. There is virtually nothing to an illusion. It's entire life is fully dependent upon that which is creating it, and that which is creating it is found in Pure Nothingness, which is none other than Pure Consciousness.

Sure. I have no problem with saying that everything is consciousness... but that is not nothing. That is something.

When you are asleep, dreaming, you do not know you are dreaming. Upon awakening, you realize you were dreaming. But the first level of awakening, called Waking Sleep, is still existence within a dream. You are still asleep, living in a dream world you only think is real. A higher level of Awakening is needed to then come to the realization that you were, in fact, only dreaming, and that the world you perceived as real is merely an illusion. It is this higher state of conscious awareness that can see into the nature of Reality and tell you that this world is unmistakably an illusion manifested from an underlying source. This realization is called 'Enlightenment'.

Negate negation itself. That is Absolute Nothingness.

I think we are in agreement if you saying that all things are consciousness. But that is not, as I have said, nothing. It is something, and comes from something.

 

[Robert.Evans]

What is wrong with agreeing that we don’t know what came before the big bang? :computer:

I refuse to agree with that... haha

 

[godnotgod]

Sure. I have no problem with saying that everything is consciousness... but that is not nothing. That is something.

I think we are in agreement if you saying that all things are consciousness. But that is not, as I have said, nothing. It is something, and comes from something.

No, it is not some-thing; it is completely intangible, invisible, tasteless, odorless, silent, and exists outside of time and space. It is No-thing, and yet, Everything comes out of it.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Our universe time started with the BB, but it could have been inside another universe time space, that would also be considered time as well.

There may be other universe with other time. So time could factually exist prior to the BB. Just not our time.

Agreed. But don't forget your rules... there is no hard evidence for that yet.. mystic.. haha

 

[Robert.Evans]

No, it is not some-thing; it is completely intangible, invisible, tasteless, odorless, silent, and exists outside of time and space. It is No-thing, and yet, Everything comes out of it.

As regards the fullest meaning of 'something' it is still 'something'. That is how we are able to talk about it. I think you are playing with words. You sound like Krauss.

 

[idav]

We know information goes in. Once in WE DONT KNOW.

Thus the paradox I mentioned. Saying it just dissapears would be an unsubstantiated claim.

 

[idav]

Because there was no 'before', as Time, according to BB theorists, only began at the moment of inception. The BB cannot have occurred in Time. And so, if there was no 'before' then there could only have been Timelessness, which, essentially, is this Present Moment we now experience on a continuous basis.

There had to still be time, it didnt just come out of nowhere. According to physics, once you approach the event horizon time just slows down to complete stop. So it is true time began bb technically speaking but it is also true that time existed before it began, because it was in standstill, it may have began once before, before it became still again.

 

[godnotgod]

As regards the fullest meaning of 'something' it is still 'something'. That is how we are able to talk about it. I think you are playing with words. You sound like Krauss.

You're confusing the description with the reality. In the case of Nothingness, it is indescribable. All we can do is to create a word-symbol to represent it, but in so doing, we then think the word-symbol is the reality. Nothing is exactly that. It cannot be Something.

It's like God: you cannot define what it is, only what it is not.

Negate Nothing, and then negate negation itself. That is Absolute Nothingness. But don't think of it as Some-thing. Don't think at all. Just see.

 

[godnotgod]

There had to still be time, it didnt just come out of nowhere. According to physics, once you approach the event horizon time just slows down to complete stop. So it is true time began bb technically speaking but it is also true that time existed before it began, because it was in standstill, it may have began once before, before it became still again.

That's a ridiculous kind of logic. You are confusing Time with movement. Time is nothing more than the tool used to measure movement. It is not an actuality that can slow down or stand still. If it were capable of standing still, there would be no Time. But you forget the other parameter, which is Space. 'Before' the BB, there also was no Space. The BB occurred in no-Time and no-Space. And if that is the case, it cannot have been encompassed by another universe in Time and Space, because then you are saying that the Finite is containing the Infinite, and that is not possible, as the Infinite has no boundaries and it timeless.

If anything, the opposite is true: the BB was encapsulated within a Timeless/Spaceless state of Absolute Nothingness.

I realize it is not easy to think of a condition that is virtually condition-less, but a state without Time or Space is such a conditionless condition, which happens to match the condition known as consciousness, which does not exist in Time or Space.

The BB was an event in consciousness. It is out of consciousness that the universe emerged.

Time, like Space, came out of a mental concept. Space-Time is a concept; not a reality.

 

[idav]

That's a ridiculous kind of logic. You are confusing Time with movement. Time is nothing more than the tool used to measure movement. It is not an actuality that can slow down or stand still. If it were capable of standing still, there would be no Time. But you forget the other parameter, which is Space. 'Before' the BB, there also was no Space. The BB occurred in no-Time and no-Space. And if that is the case, it cannot have been encompassed by another universe in Time and Space, because then you are saying that the Finite is containing the Infinite, and that is not possible, as the Infinite has no boundaries and it timeless.

If anything, the opposite is true: the BB was encapsulated within a Timeless/Spaceless state of Absolute Nothingness.

I realize it is not easy to think of a condition that is virtually condition-less, but a state without Time or Space is such a conditionless condition, which happens to match the condition known as consciousness, which does not exist in Time or Space.

The BB was an event in consciousness. It is out of consciousness that the universe emerged.

Time, like Space, came out of a mental concept. Space-Time is a concept; not a reality.

Conscious is not known to be what your saying. A conditionless state would be unconscious, no two ways about it.

Aside from the term what you and I are saying can both be true. Because the ramifications of what I am saying is that all of time and space has already happened, we just find ourselves in a particular point. My idea is more like a computer than a mind.

 

[`mud]

Soooooo....before the endless span of timelessness, coming from the limits of nothingness, into the boundry of negative infinity, then into the very beginning of what would become the origin of the void in which the nothingness existed, from where did the singularity come ?
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Everybody say.......WHUT????
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'mud

 

[idav]

Soooooo....before the endless span of timelessness, coming from the limits of nothingness, into the boundry of negative infinity, then into the very beginning of what would become the origin of the void in which the nothingness existed, from where did the singularity come ?
~
Everybody say.......WHUT????
~
'mud

Whoa, uh huh huh, that was cool.

 

[`mud]

Just thinking out loud again, got to stop doing that !
~
'mud