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What came before the Big Bang?

Dhyana

Member
Certainly there must be a source, and that is the presupposition I talk about. A source which itself has no source or cause because it is "THE Source" or "THE Cause". But there is a barrier between the singularity which science, I believe and correct me if I'm wrong, has proven, and the Source , which science can't touch and reason can't know. So there's no answer to the question. Reason only works in time and space and fails at the boundary where time and space commenced (Big Bang). "Prior" to the Big Bang we cannot speak. So we make stuff up and call it God or Void , or whatever. Meaningless words assigned to that which as no name.

The void, " in itself" has no form but it appears as form in all its infinite complexity ( time, space, universe, earth , life, sentient beings. ). "In itself" void has no beginning because it IS the beginning, form only has a beginning for us rational sentient beings who are form and are in form. We see ourselves and the universe and try to explain it on our terms: WHAT is it? WHENCE did it come ? We run into barriers at both ends. WHENCE is as I said above. As far as WHAT, I believe the originators of the Copenhagen Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics, Bohr & Hiesenberg , got it right at the beginning of the 20th Century: WHAT is beyond our capacity to perceive and know. We make stuff up again, and say particles and waves, but we can't see them, per se. So form cannot explain itself. I believe this is because form is void and void is outside of rational thought. Void cannot know itself because it is itself. In truth Void is and always has appeared as form ; Form is and always has consisted of Void. No beginning no end.

I'm running on at the mouth here and getting into stuff I can talk about , but do not really know personally. Just spouting mysticism I have read from Buddhism, Taoism, and Advaita Vedanta
 
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Ouroboros

Coincidentia oppositorum
Just like my analog:
~Life is Stuff~
But....there is no end...or beginning...or cause.
~
'mud
Considering that there might be possible that events today are not only influenced by yesterday causes, but also by future causes (some experiments suggest this), our point in time is caused by the first... and the last... and everything in between. And the effects are in themselves causes to the past and the future. It's a complex chaotic web of interactions, and we're all both causes and effects.
 

Yeshe Dondrub

Kagyupa OBT-Thubetan
As a Buddhist yes, the big bang can be supported.

Buddhist perception is it happened, will contract, re happen. Endless.

True nature, consciousness can not be destroyed, can move form to form, realm to realm "not realms like you think and the are reflections of consciousness".

Current millisecond, current second, current minute, current hour, current days, current week, current month, current year, current decade, current, millennium, current eon. It s all in perception.
 

Guy Threepwood

Mighty Pirate
Certainly there must be a source, and that is the presupposition I talk about. A source which itself has no source or cause because it is "THE Source" or "THE Cause". But there is a barrier between the singularity which science, I believe and correct me if I'm wrong, has proven, and the Source , which science can't touch and reason can't know. So there's no answer to the question. Reason only works in time and space and fails at the boundary where time and space commenced (Big Bang). "Prior" to the Big Bang we cannot speak. So we make stuff up and call it God or Void , or whatever. Meaningless words assigned to that which as no name.

The void, " in itself" has no form but it appears as form in all its infinite complexity ( time, space, universe, earth , life, sentient beings. ). "In itself" void has no beginning because it IS the beginning, form only has a beginning for us rational sentient beings who are form and are in form. We see ourselves and the universe and try to explain it on our terms: WHAT is it? WHENCE did it come ? We run into barriers at both ends. WHENCE is as I said above. As far as WHAT, I believe the originators of the Copenhagen Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics, Bohr & Hiesenberg , got it right at the beginning of the 20th Century: WHAT is beyond our capacity to perceive and know. We make stuff up again, and say particles and waves, but we can't see them, per se. So form cannot explain itself. I believe this is because form is void and void is outside of rational thought. Void cannot know itself because it is itself. In truth Void is and always has appeared as form ; Form is and always has consisted of Void. No beginning no end.

I'm running on at the mouth here and getting into stuff I can talk about , but do not really know personally. Just spouting mysticism I have read from Buddhism, Taoism, and Advaita Vedanta

I think those questions get to the heart of it, that it is inherently paradoxical to try to ultimately account for the laws of nature, by those very same laws.

However the singularity came to be, it was composed in such a way as to literally develop it's own consciousness to ponder itself with.. and many scientists- atheist and theist- have noted how curiously the universe lends itself to our exploration, tests our curiosity and ingenuity to their fullest.

I personally believe this is intentional, part of the design, because this is the best way to have creation appreciated to it's fullest.- the challenge of discovery
 

`mud

Just old
Premium Member
Back the 'void' question, forget about the singularity.
If everything was removed from the total Cosmos, what would remain ?
How far would it extend, all the way to infinity ? And then beyond infinity, what ?
What drew everything from the 'void', what created the 'gravity' ?
Same old questions, no real answers.
I guess God did it.
But.....where was He ?
Same old, same old again.
~
nuff stuff
'mud
 

Guy Threepwood

Mighty Pirate
Back the 'void' question, forget about the singularity.
If everything was removed from the total Cosmos, what would remain ?
How far would it extend, all the way to infinity ? And then beyond infinity, what ?
What drew everything from the 'void', what created the 'gravity' ?
Same old questions, no real answers.
I guess God did it.
But.....where was He ?
Same old, same old again.
~
nuff stuff
'mud

where was God, where was the naturalistic mechanism? same apparent paradox, yet here we are- so it's a wash, a moot point is it not?

what's not even though, is the capacity for creative intelligence v blind chance to create the world we see around us...
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
True nature, consciousness can not be destroyed, can move form to form, realm to realm "not realms like you think and the are reflections of consciousness".

Since consciousness is energy linked in an orderly fashion, it's hypothetically possible that our consciousness when we croak may be transformed into energy but not sequenced as "consciousness". Remember, "everything changes, nothing stays the same".
 

allfoak

Alchemist
What came before the Big Bang was a Deep Breath.
More importantly is what came after...

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Rest!!!
 

`mud

Just old
Premium Member
hey Folk,
And your terribly near-sited, cross-eyed, and blind in one eye.
OR......you might be right on !
Just like the yoke and the white slimey stuff,
they can mix or separate,
but one must look at the sunny side,
or make waffles, or a cake of sorts,
wow....I'm hungry, wear's my breakfast !
~
'mud
 

Yeshe Dondrub

Kagyupa OBT-Thubetan
Since consciousness is energy linked in an orderly fashion, it's hypothetically possible that our consciousness when we croak may be transformed into energy but not sequenced as "consciousness". Remember, "everything changes, nothing stays the same".

Not in Buddhism thought and meditation practice. All things are impermanent except true conscious nature. However you can be afflicted by negative actions and a lack of clarity and enter a state of confusion during the transition.

The consciousness is not transformed when you die. Since the consciousness is not in your body, nor your brain. The brain acts more like a radio receiver.
 

allfoak

Alchemist
hey Folk,
And your terribly near-sited, cross-eyed, and blind in one eye.
OR......you might be right on !
Just like the yoke and the white slimey stuff,
they can mix or separate,
but one must look at the sunny side,
or make waffles, or a cake of sorts,
wow....I'm hungry, wear's my breakfast !
~
'mud


Your a hard man to argue with mud.
 

`mud

Just old
Premium Member
hey Foak(spelled right this time),
I try,
a lot of people tell me I'm trying,
and I don't mix too well either.
Oh well.
~
'mud
 

Guy Threepwood

Mighty Pirate
Since consciousness is energy linked in an orderly fashion, it's hypothetically possible that our consciousness when we croak may be transformed into energy but not sequenced as "consciousness". Remember, "everything changes, nothing stays the same".

why would God want everything you have personally learned to be lost?
 

`mud

Just old
Premium Member
hey Guy,
Simple answer: "In the memories of those that cared"
And what use is a cloud, or a sword, or a bible, or a throne ?
~
'mud
 
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