Rainbow Mage
Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
I picked reincarnate into anything, but it's my personal view. Not all Kemetics believe in reincarnation.
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The obsenity I see is in the opressiveness of this fatalistic worldview that robs the child of his freedom. Even though I don't really believe it is true, the philosophy itself is still like a demonic possession even if there is no demon.
what do you believe, what does your religious tradition preach?
As a Buddhist, i don't believe in reincarnation-however i believe in rebirth (to break free and awaken from samsara) Yet can someone please explain how non living creatures such as rocks or a river be part of the karma laws? Thanks
Talking about rocks there is a Buddhist story.... its goes something like this.
One day there was a Monk who lived in the mountains at a Monastery, who fed birds everyday between his meditations. On one perticualar day as he was feeding the birds he noticed a stone on the floor. The Monk picked it up and threw it into the air. Sadley he hit a bird and killed it. The Monk didn't notice. A few days later as the Monk was walking to feed the birds a rock fell on him and killed him. This is a a story to remind us about the laws of karma and how we must becareful.
Yet if rocks are bond to the laws of karma...does this story still have meaning (obviously it was not the stones fault that it was thrown-yet would the rock pay its part in the karmatic laws?)
You can see it as the limitations of my metaphysics if you like. I don't believe in souls or spirits animating living things so much as living things creating spirits by the choices they make. I see the physical universe as a womb in which we develop and are born from. To go back into a womb in that way makes no sense to me. Reincarnation for me equates with taking away the promise of new life from a child and imposing someone elses sin (or karma if you like) upon them. I find that very repellent.
I am sure I do not understand it like you do at all.
Yes but I prefer the word spirit because the word "soul" seems to have more confused origins to me. The spirit is the actual Self. You are a spirit. I am a spirit. The spirit simply means a non-physical aspect of reality that is what it is by its own nature and choices.
I find meaning and value in religions and philosophies only starting from the scientific worldview and it is difficult for me to see any meaning and value in these from outside of that context.
Yeah I don't believe in that. Life is a physical process that can be described and modeled mathematically. Living organisms are self-organizing dynamic structures and form in a far from equillibrium environment as a consequence of nonlinear mathematics.
The spirit is eternal because as I said it exists and develops by its own nature and choices. Physical things are temporary because they are what they are by the mathematical relationships they have within the whole universe and so external events can come along and erase fragile things like our body and minds.
Not in my belief. In my belief a child is a completely new creation in the world with all the possibilites of the future open to it. What comes from the past is certainly real but is circumstantial only but definitely not the child himself. That is my basic objection. You are saying that the child himself is this old thing with baggage from the past and that is what I find obscene. I will tell the child that that there are no limitations and his life is his to make as he chooses and not something made before he was born and bound by some hopeless karmic destiny. The obsenity I see is in the opressiveness of this fatalistic worldview that robs the child of his freedom. Even though I don't really believe it is true, the philosophy itself is still like a demonic possession even if there is no demon.
I guess I am just too western world in that way.