What can be done to stop oppressive leftists?

[Shad]

In a single payer healthcare system they do not "hire" doctors. They take the function of health insurance. Your premimum is taxes and you are covered 100%. You have waiting lists and you have wait times. You may be denied a specific treatment or surgery because it requires a specific diagnosis that you do not qualify for. This is our current system. It will be the same with single payer healthcare.

I said government hires doctors under a national system. The government is the employer. Go look up Canadian laws as you are clueless.

It is the same with insurance companies here. If you don't want to accept what the insurance is willing to pay then you dont' get paid. Canadian doctors make about the same as American doctors.

No you do not understand. I can not cancel my plan. Americans can. I can not use certain services outside government regulations as it is illegal. I am forced by law to use the national system in many cases. Canadian doctors make half as much as American doctors.

http://www.oecd.org/health/health-systems/41925333.pdf

It does not. If you want to pay for fast service out of pocket you are allowed to. In Canada it is not illegal to practice medicine and work purely out of pocket of your customers. A doctor in Canada can set up office and practice (within legal parameters of medicine) and never take a dime from the government. However they will go out of buisiness rather quickly since Canadians often just go to the doctor for free rather than paying to get there faster. Same here. We will still have private doctors for the ultra rich who want to pay for them out of pocket. But the vast majority of people will just go to the doctor for free.

Wrong. Read the Canada Health Act which outlines certain services provided by the national system can not be provided by private sources.

Such as?

Wages of doctors and access to parallel services just I have repeatedly brought up.

Results matter. Americans are not drastically more unhealthy than Canadians for example. Yet they pay far less for better service.

The cost of the results matter. All you have done is put forward the end justifies the means. The obesity rate in Canada compared to the US shows otherwise as do the diets. Quality of service in a private system varies based on income and insurance policy. Under a national system the minority classes (upper) pay more into the system than those below with a reduction in quality in comparison to a private one they could use.

This requires evidence.

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Canadian doctors make about the same as Americans and get their degree's for far cheaper.

False a per the link. Cheaper degrees is due to the Canadian government subsidies student debt to offset what they pay practitioners. It is cheaper as the taxpayer pays a part of this debt. Go look up the subsidies provided to doctors. Do note that even after all of this they still take home less than Americans.

Requires evidence.

Go look any Canadian news paper covering healthcare over the last twenty years. Go look up the budget of the system which increases yearly. You would know about this if you were actually informed about the system being discussed or actually lived here.

Requires evidence.

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The government does not tell people to go die if they reach their lifetime limit of coverage.

Hyperbole and emotional pandering. If a contract terms have been reached the contract has been fulfilled. A contract which the customer agreed. More so these companies will tell people to use the public system or their own funds. Your point is inane.

It is handled no differnetly than the US system with two major exceptions. Currently we have a large number of specialists in America and few primary providers. Canada is the opposite. They have tons of primary providers and few specialists.

Yes I know. However even our GP are working 50 hours or more a week. The workload has been an issue for years.

It has little to do with how much money they make as they make about the same as America does.

Which is completely false as the wage difference is as large as 50%. When one has two job opportunities wages and workload do matter. You live in la la land if you think otherwise.

Secondly poor people don't just ignore horrible symptoms till its too late in Canadian system.

So? They choose to ignore their health issues. That is their problem. More so the government system does not force people to visit their doctors. What you mean one system provides care to the poor so they are more willing to use it as it cost them little. That is called being cheap.

http://www.oecd.org/health/health-systems/41925333.pdf
Hospital closures cited in debt report as way to save money
http://www.ontariohealthcoalition.c...-Report-on-Hospital-Cuts-final-for-print1.pdf
B.C. health overhaul includes hospital closures
Nova Scotia logs record-breaking year for ER closures

 

[Tiapan]

I think they are simply lacking brain cells ?.

I think half the US population lost most of their brain cells recently. Hypnotized by small electronic gadgets run by Rupert Murdoch. the US is irretrievably brainwashed and is now permanently media addicted to this brave new world. Its a bit like all the soap operas of the past have been brought together into this amazing if comical, reality tweet and TV show. Just hope that presidential "nuclear football" is locked, so Trump doesn't push the button during one of his childish spoiled brat tirades as he yells "your fired".

He even wants religion back in politics - That would be a total disaster.
Separation of the State and Religion IS THE BASIS of US Democracy.
At the moment Russia's buddy, Trumpski, is acting like some kind of Napoleonic EMPEROR with no clothes - of course his lies err sorry "alternate facts" should be believed after all you are just lowly plebeians, ripe for manipulation, at the whim of the only important person in the Universe. Donald H Trump. Feed them Cake.
I hope the "Yes Minister" (Brilliant BBC Series about political realities) syndrome kicks in soon to make the world safer again.

America you deserve what you have now got.
Good Luck you'll need it.

Cheers

 

[Underhill]

Trade wars, perhaps, but I hadn't heard of any threat of an actual war with China. But the trade wars were inevitable anyway. You can't have such a lopsided trade deficit for this long without the other shoe dropping eventually.

But trade is not truly a right-left issue anyway, since there are those on the left who were against free trade from the start. In fact, it was mostly the Democrats who were against the free trade agreements, while the Republicans were virtually unanimously for them. If it wasn't for Clinton flexing the party muscle and bringing in the wayward Democrats, NAFTA probably never would have passed.

I'm not 100% free trade. The problem isn't with the goal of fair trade. It's with Trumps methodology. These things cannot be changed overnight without dire consequences.

 

[Revoltingest]

Milo must be absolutely thrilled with all the attention he is getting because of this. The protesters don't seem to understand that they are empowering him because it is to him the media will go, not them. I'm still trying to wrap my head around why so many hate Milo with an unhinged passion. He is often hilarious, often intelligent and always outrageously fabulous. Campuses used to be places where all kinds of speakers hung out and got to speak. It's not like people are forced to listen to him, for pity sakes.

The protest violence wasn't so spontaneous.
Anti-Milo organizer: Window-smashing Cal protest ‘stunningly successful’

 

[YmirGF]

The protest violence wasn't so spontaneous.
Anti-Milo organizer: Window-smashing Cal protest ‘stunningly successful’

Yes, I read that last night and am still scratching my head. This fellow, Cruz, suggested that Milo had had a humiliating defeat at the hands of the protesters. Humiliating? I wonder what alternative reality you have to live in to think that.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes, I read that last night and am still scratching my head. This fellow, Cruz, suggested that Milo had had a humiliating defeat at the hands of the protesters. Humiliating? I wonder what alternative reality you have to live in to think that.

I believe that this "humiliation" might be one of those now popular "alternative facts".

 

[YmirGF]

I believe that this "humiliation" might be one of those now popular "alternative facts".

I did wonder why the writer of the article chose to cover such a nuanced load of codswallop however.

 

[Shad]

I believe that this "humiliation" might be one of those now popular "alternative facts".

Alternative victory! Like when Germany won WW2.

 

[Notanumber]

It’s funny because it’s true.

 

[tytlyf]

Milo is an entertainer, he's not even gay. Scary that people think he's real news. Completely fooled.

 

[Notanumber]

Milo is an entertainer with a message that will not be brow beaten.

Being told to f_off by other panellists didn’t deter him either.

BTW, it doesn’t bother me whether he is gay or not.

 

[Enoch07]

Milo is feared because he cannot be controlled through conventional means. He is a force of nature. Which is why the establishment (both Dem and Rep) try to slander and delegitimize him at every turn. Milo is the beginning of a new age, and the establishment knows this. So long as he can avoid assassination, which is the only trick they havent tried yet. Even if they do he will just become a martyr for a new age. Either way the antiquated ideas both marxist social justice, and the "good ole boy" Bush politics are done.

 

[Notanumber]

They make some good points.

Milo Press Conference – Free Speech Under Attack

 

[Notanumber]

Their answer to free speech.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Where are we missing out on injecting respect for the political process and the sanctity of political speech into the ideologies of these young leftists?

It is difficult to inject respect for a political process into communities of people for whom the political process has shown so little respect. As noted by MLK, "a riot is the language of the unheard."

I am far more interested in injecting discipline and discernment, but the requires a clear leadership that has yet to develop.

 

[MD]

Leftists do not breed, if they do their birth rates are really low. The groups which breed the most are conservatives, religious extremists, etc. The future belongs to such groups.

 

[Notanumber]

The Left demonising good people.

The hate is so extreme.

 

[leibowde84]

Rioters break windows, set fire to force cancellation of Breitbart editor's UC-Berkeley talk

We do all agree that we cannot allow political speech to be threatened in such a manner, correct? No one wants to see similar actions towards leftists, or, the grace of god forefend, blood in the streets. Yet, it seems those are the only places this can go, if allowed to continue.

I'm not saying stop people from protesting, be we can't let "protest" turn into this kind of wild anti-speech activity.

Where are we missing out on injecting respect for the political process and the sanctity of political speech into the ideologies of these young leftists?

We shouldn't condone any violent protests. If I was there, I would have certainly protested the speaker, as I think he is a disgusting excuse for a human being. But, he has the right to express his views. And, violence cannot be tolerated in protests.

 

[leibowde84]

The Left demonising good people.

The hate is so extreme.

Just out of curiosity. What does the kid's haircut have to do with him having cancer? It seems like he chose that haircut. Not that I have a problem with it, but still.

 

[Riders]

I find all of this thread to be strange and odd. I put up a thread about this is hell and this is war when Trump got into office and talked about hard things would be with all the protests going on.

Everyone of you trump supporters and Republicans got up her eon my thread and laughed your as& off at me say who gives a crap. Here's what yall said " Who cares go ahead and protest we won, your a bunch of sorry losers that's why you protest."

I brought up the what if violence occurs yall simply said well , Liberals have done it before why should we be surprised if Democrat liberals cause violence now yall are just throwing a bunch of temper tantrums because you didn't get your way. Go ahead protest all you want we won.

Obviously you've changed your minds and it hasn't 3 months sense he became president. Ill say it again its gonna be a long haul of protests and rebelling get ready. Its gonna be wild.