What can be done to stop oppressive leftists?

[Akivah]

Nearly half. And failed to convince the other half. Not very many of those can reasonably be called "Hillary fans", if truth is a consideration.

You're the one that claimed that hatred of Hillary wouldn't convince a large group to vote against her.

Actually both candidates were hated. They BOTH had larger disapproval ratings than approval ratings.

@Revoltingest is making a valid point, but you seem unable to comprehend it and are just fixating on one candidate's flaws. Most of America didn't like either of their choices. Half voted against one person and half voted against the other person.

 

[LuisDantas]

you seem unable to comprehend it

That much is true. I am unable to comprehend it.

I don't intend to lose a lot of sleep over it, though. I can only blame myself for so much.

 

[Underhill]

It might seem like "nonsense" if you're unfamiliar with her voting record or her statements.

Which I am not. And I still think it is nonsense.

She has talked threateningly about Iran and others but on condition of their misdeeds. Something that makes perfect sense in her position at the time. As for her voting record... it is no worse than 99% of congress.

 

[Stevicus]

For what it is worth, it sure sounds to me that you are trying to convince yourself. I have certainly not found much in the way of evidence of the truth of any of what you say.

Specifics?

 

[Revoltingest]

Which I am not. And I still think it is nonsense.

I respect another poster's right to be wrong.

She has talked threateningly about Iran and others but on condition of their misdeeds. Something that makes perfect sense in her position at the time. As for her voting record... it is no worse than 99% of congress.

"....it is no worse than...."
There's a ringing endorsement.

There are other reasons to paint her as a hawk, & reasons that The Donald could be better (or worse).
Your looking at a narrow ad hoc picture doesn't rise to the level of objective analysis which could sway me.
We've already covered this before the election in great detail, & there's no need to revisit it.
You want me to vote against Trump....then you should'a defeated the DNC's corrupt banishment of Bernie.
I would've voted for him.
But not ole blood'n guts bloated big government Hilda.

It seems that few on the left will acknowledge that we who voted for The Devil can be reasonable.
No amount of discussion has changed this because you're just so danged sure you have The Truth.
Have you noticed that Trump voters don't demonize Hillary voters?
But Hillary fans keep trying to demonize us as deplorables.
They gotta get over the loss, the anger, the hatred, & the intolerance of contrary views.

 

[Notanumber]

Having never heard of him before I must say he has some valid points.

Aren’t liberals supposed to defend free speech?

 

[Curious George]

Have you noticed that Trump voters don't demonize Hillary voters?
But Hillary fans keep trying to demonize us as deplorables.
They gotta get over the loss, the anger, the hatred, & the intolerance of contrary views.

Actually, I have noticed, and continue to notice attacks on voter's for both sides. I would suggest that these voter's tried to vote for what they believed was the lesser of two evils. Yet the bottom line is that this argument acknowledges they voted for "evil."

This is because both groups are so afraid of the other they will tolerate that which should not be.

Had the collective groups spent less time defending or rationalizing either candidate we could have made a difference. But the truth is we don't trust each other enough to do so. And, we don't trust the government will let something like that happen. If you defended or voted for either I hope you did so because you believed in the candidate. Because bottom line: you supported that candidate with your vote. This means you supported their agenda.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Nothing to do man. The oppressive left is just gonna roll us all over and oppress us. They will even force free healthcare and equal rights. Those monsters.

 

[Revoltingest]

Actually, I have noticed, and continue to notice attacks on voter's for both sides. I would suggest that these voter's tried to vote for what they believed was the lesser of two evils. Yet the bottom line is that this argument acknowledges they voted for "evil."

It feels dirty to vote for evil.
But I'd feel worse to have not voted against the greater evil I saw.

This is because both groups are so afraid of the other they will tolerate that which should not be.

Had the collective groups spent less time defending or rationalizing either candidate we could have made a difference. But the truth is we don't trust each other enough to do so. And, we don't trust the government will let something like that happen. If you defended or voted for either I hope you did so because you believed in the candidate. Because bottom line: you supported that candidate with your vote. This means you supported their agenda.

I did not believe in Trump.
He had some good points, & some bad...too many bad ones.
But I found Hillary to be more dangerous.

 

[Shad]

They will even force free healthcare and equal rights. Those monsters.

If you think healthcare is going to be free you already swallowed the bait.

 

[Revoltingest]

Having never heard of him before I must say he has some valid points.

Aren’t liberals supposed to defend free speech?

Seeing that video, it seems the demonstrators prefer a form
of political "speech" which accelerates global warming.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

If you think healthcare is going to be free you already swallowed the bait.

Publically funded healthcare that is both more reliable and cheaper than contracted healthcare. It is "free" because you are not charged for the services. Much as our roads are "free" and so is our public education. Neither are "free" in that it isn't funded but that it is publically funded and not based on the capital of the individual.

The fact you think that people don't understand this or that you yourself don't understand this is bait you have bitten.

 

[Curious George]

It feels dirty to vote for evil.
But I'd feel worse to have not voted against the greater evil I saw.

I did not believe in Trump.
He had some good points, & some bad...too many bad ones.
But I found Hillary to be more dangerous.

Any other vote or not voting at all would have been a vote against Hillary.

It is sad so many voted for someone in whom they didn't believe. The question we should be asking is why. For you it was fear. I imagine for others it was the same. Imho, you bought-in. You joined the narrative that the others couldn't have a chance. You joined the narrative that one need to choose of two options. In this you contributed to the system you loathe. Your vote was support for Trump. Sure it may have been support against Hillary but it was also support against a better choice. You have traded your hopes for a better system for fear, as have many others. It is truly unfortunate.

 

[Mister Emu]

The title of the thread is "what can be done to stop oppressive leftists". I'm offering the oppurtunity to have a conversation with a leftist rather than address the issue as if "the left" were some distant, alien group in society engaged in "violent mob behaviour" as "gangs of violent thugs" and as "animals running around with weapons beating people".

Doing so should also provide evidence that there are those on "the left" who are willing to engage directly with your concerns so that you don't have to be "afriad that one of these times someones going to have to kill several of them to make the point".

What we have here is a failure to communicate. I'm not concerned with the greater mass of the left who do not condone or participate in violence. I am talking about and only about those engaged in organized violence against political dissent. We aren't going to get anywhere if the conversation is being taken by you as referring to the left in general and only to a currently small fringe element by me.

Well, what about the 'rightist' phenomenon of organised violence when 'rightists' don't get what they want?

Go ahead and show some.

Are gun nuts 'rightists'? 'Cos when they think their guns are in any danger they all pile onto the streets with their assault rifles and camo-gear..... very intimidating.

And yet, there was no organized effort to harm people or destroy property.

That is simply wrong. A victim of rape shoots her rapist, she is solely to blame?

I really should stop posting in the midst of the early A.M.

With the caveat that no one directly called the instigator to violence, blame for violence lays solely on said instigator for violence.

That is the situation in a nutshell.

That is just absurd.

@Sunstone Looks like I will retract my earlier statement to you. I can clearly see how a violent leftist believes they have a great deal of silent support.

 

[Mister Emu]

Let's stop pretending that violent oppression is something exclusive to the left.

Organized violence to shut down political speech. I'm not denying the right has violence. I will, however, need example of the right using organized violence for this specific end.

Please show me where any of these aggressive left protesters are using weapons against people?

Paul Joseph Watson on Twitter
There you go, video evidence.

The fact that the last resort of riot police is your top and "only" choice

Random people in a crowd being violently assaulted are not trained police officers, and I'm not advocating it. It is a reality of what will happen.

A better question is how do we stop the oppressive Right, who is actually in a position of political authority to protect discrimination as a "religious right?"

You vote them out, if you can.

I assume this post isn't in defense of the man who was coming to talk? But rather that 1500 students getting together and broke some windows was wrong

It is in defense of any man's right to speak politically without fear of violent backlash. See the above video, this wasn't just "breaking some windows", people were being physically assaulted and I watched live on stream as a store was looted with the contents being thrown to the crowd.

However isn't it strange that if even one out of a hundred people break a window we try to disavow the whole protest?

Except you'll note I never disavowed the entirety of the protest.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You vote them out, if you can.

And that is a problem, because often I can't, and I get stuck with governors like Pence who put my rights and liberties beneath religious bigotry.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Organized violence to shut down political speech. I'm not denying the right has violence. I will, however, need example of the right using organized violence for this specific end.

I'll need an example of organized violence. Organized protest that had violence is not the same thing. You need to make the case that they intentionally organized an event with intended violence.

Paul Joseph Watson on
It is in defense of any man's right to speak politically without fear of violent backlash. See the above video, this wasn't just "breaking some windows", people were being physically assaulted and I watched live on stream as a store was looted with the contents being thrown to the crowd.

A store being looted was ******** taking advantage of the situation. That wasn't part of the protest and it certainly wasn't planned.

I disagree to a point. I feel its justified to punch a nazi. I think there are certain ideas that are so hateful and toxic they need to be removed. He doesn't preach that. He edges close to the line of the punch-able but doesn't take that step. The original intended event was for people to protest his way of thinknig. To that I have no problem. People shouldn't have been assaulted. People shouldn't have looted. I don't condone those.

You should be free to say what you want. You aren't free to control how people take it. A person is free to say what they like about my mother. They don't get to control me when I slug them in the face for it.

Except you'll note I never disavowed the entirety of the protest.

You may not have. But it has been done and in incredibly common rate. If you have a problem with being lumped in with them then maybe you can sympathyze with the nonviolent protestors that massively out-number any aggressive individuals.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You may not have. But it has been done and in incredibly common rate. If you have a problem with being lumped in with them then maybe you can sympathyze with the nonviolent protestors that massively out-number any aggressive individuals.

The amazing thing is is that we have probably seen more protesting last month than we did during Vietnam and the Civil Rights movement. Remarkable the bulk majority of it was peaceful, and went on without a problem. But the few violent ones provided a feeding frenzy for the media, and now the way some people talk you'd think violent protests were the majority of protests going on.

 

[Mister_T]

Organized violence to shut down political speech.

So killing people because of their political beliefs isn't "organized" violence and shutting them down? That's quite a straw man

Random people in a crowd being violently assaulted are not trained police officers, and I'm not advocating it. It is a reality of what will happen.

Only it's not a reality of what will happen, especially when there are a plethora of other options available to deal with rioters. It's only a reality if people want it to be.

There you go, video evidence.

Flags, really? This is what we're considering "weapons?" I mean, I guess anything could be a weapon under your definition then, even whisky glass or a laptop. That doesn't excuse the idiots in the video, but come on, let's tone down the hyperbole.

 

[Revoltingest]

Any other vote or not voting at all would have been a vote against Hillary.

That's one way to see it.
But when we have 2 competing with each other, a vote for him is a more powerful vote against her.
And it worked.

It is sad so many voted for someone in whom they didn't believe. The question we should be asking is why. For you it was fear.

I didn't fear either of them.
My kids are too old if war results in reactivation of the draft.
My debt load is manageable & heading even lower.
I & mine would weather any likely storm.
It was just a dispassionate choice about what choice was less bad.

I imagine for others it was the same. Imho, you bought-in. You joined the narrative that the others couldn't have a chance. You joined the narrative that one need to choose of two options. In this you contributed to the system you loathe.

Whose narrative?
I did my own analysis, which was either rejected or ignored by nearly everyone else.

Your vote was support for Trump. Sure it may have been support against Hillary but it was also support against a better choice. You have traded your hopes for a better system for fear, as have many others. It is truly unfortunate.

The better choice, Gary Johnson, had a snowball's chance in Hades.
So a vote for him would eliminate influence I had.
You'd prefer that I let your candidate win.
I didn't want that.