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What constitutes an abnormal person?

nnmartin

Well-Known Member
I have been told there is no such thing as a normal or average person.

Now, I actually disagree with this as I think there are clear societal norms that could generally be agreed upon here.

What is normal/abnormal to you?

Anything wrong with being traditional even if your views may restrict others?

Where do we draw the line?

I will give forth more examples and views in due course...........
 

Viker

Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
Abnormal = sociopaths ( hardened criminals, rapists, criminally insane, etc. )

Normal = everyone else
 

HonestJoe

Well-Known Member
The idea that there is no such thing as a normal/average person is because normality is measured on so many possible scales that no individual can match them all - we all have features that sets us apart from the norm. The truly average person would be something like a light brown hermaphrodite farmer who speaks Mandarin, is exactly 5'10" and 195lbs, married for 7.25 years with 3.65 children, living somewhere in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.

There are general societal norms of course but there is there a normal society? Every country, even every region has different norms. There are cultures and sub-cultures within societies with yet more different norms. Even within these communities, the individual thoughts and actions will vary greatly.

Ultimately, we're all different so how can anyone be normal? If anything, the only normal thing is beign different.
 

nnmartin

Well-Known Member
well, let's say in a Western country for starters then - that narrows the field down a little.
 

cablescavenger

Well-Known Member
I have been told there is no such thing as a normal or average person.

Now, I actually disagree with this as I think there are clear societal norms that could generally be agreed upon here.

What is normal/abnormal to you?

Anything wrong with being traditional even if your views may restrict others?

Where do we draw the line?

I will give forth more examples and views in due course...........

This is rather vague. Perhaps you can divulge your thoughts?
 

payak

Active Member
majority rules, minority's where behaviour is concerned is out of the ordinary.
it is not always wrong however.
 

Gjallarhorn

N'yog-Sothep
I have been told there is no such thing as a normal or average person.

Now, I actually disagree with this as I think there are clear societal norms that could generally be agreed upon here.

What is normal/abnormal to you?

Anything wrong with being traditional even if your views may restrict others?

Where do we draw the line?

I will give forth more examples and views in due course...........
Normal changes. It used to be normal to keep slaves and worship Athena. Societal norms are fluid.

Normal to me is the mean of society's extremes. It's dependent on the views of others, meaning it must change with the times. Traditional is not normal.
 
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ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
My 19 year old son is autistic and my 16 year old son is Asperger's syndrom, ADHD, and bipolar. I don't see them as abnormal. My 19 year old doesn't carry on conversations and his speech isn't too good. My 16 year seems pretty normal most of the time, but takes everything literally and can't understand figurative speech (I do a lot of figurative speech and I confuse him). They are human beings- and do the things that most humans do.
 

Levite

Higher and Higher
I have been told there is no such thing as a normal or average person.

Now, I actually disagree with this as I think there are clear societal norms that could generally be agreed upon here.

What is normal/abnormal to you?

Anything wrong with being traditional even if your views may restrict others?

Where do we draw the line?

I will give forth more examples and views in due course...........

Normal or abnormal according to whose norms?

Norms vary from society to society, from subculture to subculture, sometimes even from social group to social group.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
An abnormal person leads me to think trauma of some sort that occured bringing about a rather swift and radical change in a person's demeanor and/or physical characteristics, whether it's due to injury, illness, or some conditions such as mental retardation which requires special care.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
how about people who are insane but not criminal then?
People who have brain issues would not be normal by the standards that we find a healthy brain to be. Maybe it isn't normal to be completely healthy but it gives us something to strive for. For people who are sociopaths and don't have a conscious have something wrong with them health wise. To me what constitutes normal is an averagely healthy person and beliefs would be effected accordingly. Not abnormal to be religious but if you actually start hearing voices then it should be investigated.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
An abnormal person leads me to think trauma of some sort that occured bringing about a rather swift and radical change in a person's demeanor and/or physical characteristics, whether it's due to injury, illness, or some conditions such as mental retardation which requires special care.
That is true and also psychological trauma can be issue where we don't really see anything wrong physically but normally in those cases the person was likely already on the verge of displaying issues and only needed something to tip them over the edge.
 

Alex_G

Enlightner of the Senses
I have been told there is no such thing as a normal or average person.

Now, I actually disagree with this as I think there are clear societal norms that could generally be agreed upon here.

What is normal/abnormal to you?

Anything wrong with being traditional even if your views may restrict others?

Where do we draw the line?

I will give forth more examples and views in due course...........

When we say 'normal', it could refer to many things. One kind might be normality defined in relation to some given standard. Such that someone living in their town have their relationships and understandings of people built on certain facts that appear to be present, stable and consistent in all the people around them, making them notice those individuals that differ in any significant manner. From each individuals perspective you can imagine a subjective concept of normality, or standard, like a heuristic of normality that they use to create meaning in the world around them by making quick correlations and contrasts.

Looking more statistically, a normal person could be viewed as anyone who is on the distribution expected from a population of human beings in today’s day and age. Such an example as height plotted on its normal distribution curve will show many people around an average height, with frequency tapering off towards the extremes. Now that’s not to say that the very tall are abnormal, they are precisely normal in the sense you expect to find them in the population at their given low frequency. So normality is somewhat different to average.

Of course one would eventually have to break humans down to all the measurable individual attributes or features to ascertain how each one exists in relation to that of other human beings in the spectrum, keeping in mind that each individual will have many features that make them who they are, each with the potential to be individually assessed.

I think temporal existence is also important, especially highlighted in the field of medicine, when we talk about heath. One can clearly see how a meaningful definition of 'normal' lifespan has changed over the centuries, illustrating that normality is not something fixed, or even only dependant on individual factors, but also the context in which they exist.

Mental health is most interesting i think, mainly due to its complexity and our still relatively ignorant understanding. Such that it differs from something like height, which can be clearly quantified, and plotted on a graph to produce and expected distribution. The qualitative aspect makes it hard to compute, and also the scope for totally novel and new behaviour and thought patterns to emerge make it unpredictable and puzzling. One could on one side create some statistical cut off for what is normal by appeal to a majority and face the difficult issue of justifying its arbitrariness, or instead consider all the weird and wonderful people that exist to be normal in the sense that they are a genuine and unique piece of humanity, and prove some normality through their very existence, in terms of what is reasonable to expect of certain human beings. Although Einstein might have been a rare calibre of human being, his existence is completely normal in terms of human capability and potential, even if such occurrences are rare.
 
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Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
The other day the grandchildren came over early. I was dressed in veshti, the traditional South India dress. My 3 year old grandson said, `Grampa, you look weird.`So already he`s developed a sense of normalcy` within this culture we call the west. Then I went on to tell him there were parts of the world where everyone would be dressed like me. Then he got this puzzled look.

http://www.google.ca/imgres?q=vesht...3&tbnw=97&start=0&ndsp=36&ved=1t:429,r:17,s:0

So normal and weird and all those other grand incorrect adjectives all just describing what you yourself are used to or not used to.
 
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