What convinces you that your religion is the true religion?

[Dan4reason]

Why I believe so is that our religion is set up after the same organiztion that existed in the primitive church. we have prophets and apostles, pastors, teachers, evangelists and so forth. we have the priesthood authority to administer the saving ordinances of the gospel on the earth. We have the book of mormon as evidence that our church was restored by jesus christ himself

How do you know how the primitive church was set up? How do you know that the primitive church was correct? How do you know that the priesthood has supernatural qualities? How is the Book of Mormon evidence of anything?

 

[Midnight Pete]

Elder_Bevan, your missionary skills are about to be put to the test.

 

[Breathe]

How do you know how the primitive church was set up? How do you know that the primitive church was correct? How do you know that the priesthood has supernatural qualities? How is the Book of Mormon evidence of anything?

opcorn:

 

[St Giordano Bruno]

I had it heavily indoctrinated into me that the Catholic religion was the one true religion and all others, even other denominations of Christianity were false. All religions other that the Catholic one was thus given the blanket title of "Non Catholics" and if you were one of them there was no possibility of them given any place in Heaven. I no longer believe this as I don't believe any one religion has a monopoly on truth, nor do I believe in a Heaven. That is the ultimate in wishful thinking IMHO

 

[Midnight Pete]

I had it heavily indoctrinated into me that the Catholic religion was the one true religion and all others, even other denominations of Christianity were false. All religions other that the Catholic one was thus given the blanket title of "Non Catholics" and if you were one of them there was no possibility of them given any place in Heaven. I no longer believe this as I don't believe any one religion has a monopoly on truth, nor do I believe in a Heaven. That is the ultimate in wishful thinking IMHO

So how did you go from Catholic to Scientific Pantheist?

 

[Sententia]

Good question.

Do you mean that? If so how so?

Many people accept a religion based on whatever religion their parents or relatives belong to. Others choose a religion that makes them feel good or accords with their world view or desires. Jesus said that true worshipers would worship the Father with spirit and truth, and that those conscious of their spiritual need are happy. (Matthew 5:3, John 4:24). The true religion is based on facts, not fanciful tall tales.

"The" true religion? So not only should there be but there is in fact a true a religion?

Why? You did not sacrifice your life to prove how strongly you believe so how are your beliefs and more rational then the hijackers on 9/11?

The true religion is based on the worship of the only true God. (John 17:3) Thus there can be only one true religion, and all other religions must therefore be false.

That was kind of my question. Your religion dictates that there can only be one true religion as do MOST other religions. How do you cypher that to say its yours. And Jesus is a really new ancient god to worship... Why this god? (And hes not the newest or the oldest just what you seem to be most interested in.)

Jehovah, the true God, has proven and continues to prove his Godship by what he has done in the past and what he now does.

Do tell. Obviously false from my point of view.

 

[Sententia]

I don't believe in the concept of "the one true and only faith."

I am a Jew, and as such I believe that I should practice Judaism, and so should other Jews.

Why? If a nazi baby was born of a nazi Mom and a nazi Dad then baby eventually decided not to be a nazi would he be a sinner?

Its extreme yes. But I could try to be more subtle and work to describe to you my apparently odd point of view but I am more interested in your point.

Why should jews practice Judaism as opposed to say mormonism or atheism?

Why do you feel all jews should practice Judaism?

 

[Sententia]

I am not convinced that my religion is quantifiably better or more true than the other religions.

Yet you are not agnostic... Interesting.

You obviously picked a side and my question was more why?

You say that you are not convinced you are right or better and perhaps the better option is sacrificing goats to satan, crashing planes into buildings or perhaps just running a camp to indoctrinate children....

Sigh.

I am less interested in arguing with you then I am comparatively to the first question I posed. Why is your religion the one true one? Why does there have to be a true one?

 

[Levite]

Why? If a nazi baby was born of a nazi Mom and a nazi Dad then baby eventually decided not to be a nazi would he be a sinner?

Its extreme yes. But I could try to be more subtle and work to describe to you my apparently odd point of view but I am more interested in your point.

Why should jews practice Judaism as opposed to say mormonism or atheism?

Why do you feel all jews should practice Judaism?

First of all, Nazism is a political doctrine. It is neither a religion nor a culture. The analogy is simply ineffective.

Judaism is a socioreligious ethnicity. It is a religion and an ethnic culture, both, inextricably intertwined. For Jews to cease becoming Jews is to destroy the culture and religion. Jews should be Jewish, among other reasons, for similar reasons that Navajos should be Navajo, and speak Dinee, and observe the Way; or that Maori should speak Maori and follow the old ways; or that indigenous Australians should speak their ancient languages, and follow their old ways. The inheritors of ancient, beautiful, endangered cultures should not give up on their inheritance and assimilate into the bland pablum of Western Society, but should preserve and pass on their ancient ways, their texts and music, their languages, the unique gifts that they bring to the world.

Second of all, I believe that being Jewish is what God wishes of the Jews. This is what we are here for. It is our part in the covenant, a covenant which we, as an entire society, committed to forever; and individuals do not have the right to unilaterally withdraw from that covenant. Whatever our individual purposes are in the world, we were born as Jews, to fulfill those purposes within the context of being Jewish. To be something else may be just what God wants from other people. But we are Jews: this is what is ours, to do and to be.

 

[St Giordano Bruno]

So how did you go from Catholic to Scientific Pantheist?

I just feel no conscious sentient God could be big enough to cater for the universe's staggering immensity. If fact according to the inflationary cosmos the universe it is so staggeringly immense that the observable universe is actually much smaller relative to the rest of the universe than a proton is to the observable universe. So with that in mind I find it much more plausible the earth like planets can immerge just by pure accident than design. But if one’s definition of God is the laws and principles which created the universe and the universe just happen to create itself, such as defined by Stephen Hawking’s theory that the universe created itself with his spontaneous creation theory, then I think it is fair to describe the universe as being God under that criteria. Many theists may hate that idea that God has been reduced to some cold unconscious and non-sentient principle that caused the universe to create itself through spontaneous self creation, but I am at ease with it.

 

[owls wisdom]

The truth is you cant prove or disprove god, but you can disprove any doctrine.

 

[Revoltingest]

The truth is you cant prove or disprove god, but you can disprove any doctrine.

Sounds good to me...welcome aboard!

 

[Breathe]

I just feel no conscious sentient God could be big enough to cater for the universe's staggering immensity.

Why is that?

 

[Madhuri]

I just feel no conscious sentient God could be big enough to cater for the universe's staggering immensity. If fact according to the inflationary cosmos the universe it is so staggeringly immense that the observable universe is actually much smaller relative to the rest of the universe than a proton is to the observable universe. So with that in mind I find it much more plausible the earth like planets can immerge just by pure accident than design. But if one’s definition of God is the laws and principles which created the universe and the universe just happen to create itself, such as defined by Stephen Hawking’s theory that the universe created itself with his spontaneous creation theory, then I think it is fair to describe the universe as being God under that criteria. Many theists may hate that idea that God has been reduced to some cold unconscious and non-sentient principle that caused the universe to create itself through spontaneous self creation, but I am at ease with it.

None of this is a problem in Vedic philosophy. Ie/ God is Everything as well as being all-pervading Consciousness. So the sentient God does not need to 'cater' to the universe- It IS the universe (and more).

 

[Breathe]

None of this is a problem in Vedic philosophy. Ie/ God is Everything as well as being all-pervading Consciousness. So the sentient God does not need to 'cater' to the universe- It IS the universe (and more).

Svaha to that.

 

[St Giordano Bruno]

Why is that?

I find it impossible believe in some intelligent force that spans yottaparsecs of space, and at the same time listens to my prayers and answers them, take an account of my sex life, and counts the number of days I attend church of Sundays, all on a tiny rocky planet orbiting are rather unremarkable star in one of trillions of other galaxies.

 

[Breathe]

I understand where you are coming from.

It would have to be a nosy entity to take an interest in people's sex lives and when you don't show up to church, indeedy. I don't believe in such views of an entity either personally.

 

[Madhuri]

None of this is a problem in Vedic philosophy. Ie/ God is Everything as well as being all-pervading Consciousness. So the sentient God does not need to 'cater' to the universe- It IS the universe (and more).

Ooops, I want to point out that this post was responding to what I thought was your rejection of any God concept. I just realised you were telling the story of your conversion away from Christianity. Sorry, I'm not preaching