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What did god have against dinosaurs?

tarekabdo12

Active Member
Humans grow tails in the womb, which are then re-absorbed later during the pregnancy. That's just inefficient. It serves no use, functionally, and so no designer should put it there.

I'll continue later on - if God wishes- but now I have work to do and it's a long issue.
 

Android

Member
No, of course it needs to be tested. If a pharmacological company produces a drug it carries experiments on rats. Even if these experiments are successful, they must complete the assessment on humans for a long period to see if there are any problems like celecoxib drug and others.

Changing the position of a part of the brain would come on the expense of other areas and how do you know that it would derange the function of other areas if you didn't even try. There must be a tried active alternative example followed up with great scrutiny.

Wow, I don't think i can even continue responding to you. You miss my point every time!
(sigh) I'll give it another try.

Do me a favour and answer me this;
Do you really need to build and test a car that has its wheels on the roof, to know that it is a bad design? It's a simple question. I'm not asking about new unknown drugs, just this car example.

Your answer SHOULD be: no.
The reason, is because we use the knowledge we already have. We know enough about friction, traction, rolling resistance, torque ect. to know that this design will be a complete failure!

Regarding the brain "design" idea, we know how our nerves/neurons work. If you're studying medicine, I'm sure you've already done the nerve action potential experiments. Even your local electrician will tell you, when building an elecrical circuit, to run the wires as short as possible.
 

Android

Member
By the way, I'd like to the point to that the similarity of the eye of humans and the octopus is an obstacle facing evolution. This similarity should have been with apes, rather.

Before this, you just posted about how cephalopods have the totally opposite eye "design" to humans.
You should really read some of this stuff you're copy/pasting.

On a side note... some jellyfish species have the most advanced eyes in all of biology yet we can't find anything linking them to the brain. We know they work, but are still trying to understand how. I find this one fascinating.
 

Android

Member
The human larynx-pharynx junction
Talking of larynxes, there's the opening of the human larynx (leading to the trachea) being from the pharynx, so that swallowing impedes breathing (and vice versa). Not only that, but with the wind-pipe coming from off the food-pipe, there is a constant risk of choking. Before the Heimlich maneuver was invented, choking was one of the leading causes of accidental death; even so, thousands still die worldwide each year from inhaling their food. Children are more vulnerable because their airways are narrower. Great design.


To breathe from your mouth, otherwise you'd suffocate if you have a cold.

Actually, this is the trade off we make for having such a beautiful singing voice. The pharyngeal cleft is one of the defining characteristics of a chordate. Different species of chordates have evolved different uses for this,
EG; We use ours for talking and singing, while the pharyngeal cleft of a fish is where the gills evolved.
 

Android

Member
Why do Ganges and Indus dolphins have eyes at all? For their eyes lack a lens, leaving these species unable to resolve images: the most they can do is perceive the presence or absense of light (of which there's rather little where they live anyway)... for which skull apertures, eyeballs, muscles, retinas and the rest, the same design as normally-sighted dolphins have, seems a bit excessive.


-Although its eye lacks a lens, and it is sometimes referred to as being blind, the Indus River dolphin's eye does seem to function as a direction-finding device by using the direction and intensity of light.

-In addition, detection of light is not useless, it's related to melatonin secretion from the pineal gland which controls the body's sleep-wakefulness circadian rythm.

Nobody would disagree with the two comments you make here, but again you completely miss the point of what your source is saying to you.

If all this eye can do is detect light, why does it need skull apertures, eyeballs, muscles, retinas and the rest? Why not just have a photo sensitive cell on the skin somewhere?

This reminds me of a quote that designers always use; "Perfection in design is achieved not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing more to take away".
 

tarekabdo12

Active Member
Before this, you just posted about how cephalopods have the totally opposite eye "design" to humans.
You should really read some of this stuff you're copy/pasting.

On a side note... some jellyfish species have the most advanced eyes in all of biology yet we can't find anything linking them to the brain. We know they work, but are still trying to understand how. I find this one fascinating.

I know that the eyes of both creatures are different. However, scientists say that the octopus eyes are the most similar to those of humans.
 

tarekabdo12

Active Member
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Nobody would disagree with the two comments you make here, but again you completely miss the point of what your source is saying to you.

If all this eye can do is detect light, why does it need skull apertures, eyeballs, muscles, retinas and the rest? Why not just have a photo sensitive cell on the skin somewhere?

This reminds me of a quote that designers always use; "Perfection in design is achieved not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing more to take away".

Skull aperture, eyeball used for protection. The retina is the organ which detects light. The optic nerve for signal transmission. Muscles because the eyes probably need to move to detect the direction of light and also they serve as protectors to the eyeball, as well. In addition, this provides better shape and congruence between all creatures God made so as not to appear weird.
 

tarekabdo12

Active Member
Actually, this is the trade off we make for having such a beautiful singing voice. The pharyngeal cleft is one of the defining characteristics of a chordate. Different species of chordates have evolved different uses for this,
EG; We use ours for talking and singing, while the pharyngeal cleft of a fish is where the gills evolved.


I don't understand why this is pertinent to what I've posted. I think I miss the point.
 

tarekabdo12

Active Member
Wow, I don't think i can even continue responding to you. You miss my point every time!
(sigh) I'll give it another try.

Do me a favour and answer me this;
Do you really need to build and test a car that has its wheels on the roof, to know that it is a bad design? It's a simple question. I'm not asking about new unknown drugs, just this car example.

Your answer SHOULD be: no.
The reason, is because we use the knowledge we already have. We know enough about friction, traction, rolling resistance, torque ect. to know that this design will be a complete failure!

Regarding the brain "design" idea, we know how our nerves/neurons work. If you're studying medicine, I'm sure you've already done the nerve action potential experiments. Even your local electrician will tell you, when building an elecrical circuit, to run the wires as short as possible.

The optic nerve is composed of retinal ganglion cell axons and support cells. It leaves the orbit (eye) via the optic canal, running postero-medially towards the optic chiasm where there is a partial decussation (crossing) of fibers from the temporal visual fields of both eyes. Most of the axons of the optic nerve terminate in the lateral geniculate nucleus from where information is relayed to the visual cortex. Its diameter increases from about 1.6 mm within the eye, to 3.5 mm in the orbit to 4.5 mm within the cranial space. The optic nerve component lengths are 1 mm in the globe, 25 mm in the orbit, 9 mm in the optic canal and 16 mm in the cranial space before joining the optic chiasm. There, partial decussation occurs and about 53% of the fibers cross to form the optic tracts. Most of these fibers terminate in the lateral geniculate body.

From the lateral geniculate body, fibers of the optic radiation pass to the visual cortex in the occipital lobe of the brain. More specifically, fibers carrying information from the contralateral superior visual field traverse Meyer's loop to terminate in the lingual gyrus below the calcarine fissure in the occipital lobe, and fibers carrying information from the contralateral inferior visual field terminate more superiorly.


The relay of impulses as well as crossing is really important as it's easier for the brain to understand impulses carried by the same sides of the retina from both eyes. This equals one side of the body. So, information in this way reach the brain in a simplified way from each side separately. The position of the thalamus is yet crucial. The thalamus and its nuclei recieve impulses not only from the eye but from nearly all parts of the brain and thus you find it central in the brain. if you examine the anatomy with scrutiny, you will find that it's easier for the fibers from the lateral geniculate body to pass backwards rather than turning around and passing forwards. As I said before, the thalamus position is crucial as it receives impulses from all parts of the brain.
 

tarekabdo12

Active Member
Moreover, if the visual cortex comes in place of the auditory it'd be a grave problem as the auditory nerve will have to lengthen greatly and why so if the temporal lobe is so near to the inner ear. If it was in the place of the motor or sensory cortex the fibers which are very great in number will have to travel a very long way and will be very susceptible to an increase in intracranial pressure. And if it was in the place of the frontal cortex, visual pathway'd lose the advantage of crossing.
 

tarekabdo12

Active Member
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This may aid your imagination.
 

tarekabdo12

Active Member
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Notice that it would be easier that the optic radiation go from the LGB of the thalamus backwards rather than any other direction.
 

tarekabdo12

Active Member
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[FONT=&quot]In the African locust ([FONT=&quot]Locusta migratoria[/FONT]), the nerve cells that connect to the wings originate in the abdomen, even though the wings are on the thorax. Nerve signals from the brain have to travel down the ventral nerve cord past their target, then backtrack through the insect to where they are needed.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Well, I don't know much about the locust; however I searched the net and found that the CNS delivers impulses to the abdominal part to tilt to change direction when there is wind coming or other impulses. You can notice that the same impulses are essential for the wings to change direction, as well. So it's easier to send the impulses once rather than twice with 2 different neural circuits.[/FONT]
 

tarekabdo12

Active Member
About the whale pelvis and the men nipples, I discussed them before in why do men have nipples thread with Mr. Mathew.
 

tarekabdo12

Active Member
Haemoglobin
Haemoglobin, the molecule which transports oxygen around our bodies in red blood cells, has more affinity for carbon monoxide than for oxygen. It is better at carrying this poisonous gas than at the job it was so intricately designed to do.




This is due to the metallic characters of iron rather than a defect in hemoglobin.
 

PolyHedral

Superabacus Mystic
Haemoglobin
Haemoglobin, the molecule which transports oxygen around our bodies in red blood cells, has more affinity for carbon monoxide than for oxygen. It is better at carrying this poisonous gas than at the job it was so intricately designed to do.




This is due to the metallic characters of iron rather than a defect in hemoglobin.
So you're saying that it's completely impossible to build a molecule that works better than hemoglobin at carrying oxygen? Because that's what you imply by the statement "We were perfectly designed."
 

tarekabdo12

Active Member
Choose a metal rather than fe then we can talk. Unless u don't have an alternative u ought not 2 speak about faults.
 

fossil

Member
The blind spot is not a problem at all. Even if you close one eye, you still won't notice any defect in your field. This is due to the fine oscillations the eye makes to fill this defect. In addition, it's compensated by the other eye. These oscillations are already necessary to prevent the accommodation of the visual receptors to light and thus stoppage of impulse transmission yo the brain. So, there's actually no problem from it.

Not for birds:
Search for: 'power lines invisible to birds' in google should be the top BBC link, I haven't posted enough to put in links

When I closed on eye I do notice a defect in my field of vision when I know something is there but I can' see it.

And why would you design an eye with a blind spot, and then give organisms an eye without a blind spot?
 
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