What do Atheists mean about ‘No Evidence for God’

[bhaktajan]

Just because some knowledge is acquired from others, such as who are our fathers or how to go potty or how to wear our clothes or how to make vodka or how to pickle cucumbers, none of this is proof that absolutely ALL knowledge is derived from someone else.

YES IT DOES!!!
YES IT DOES!!!
YES IT DOES!!!

Why are you writting so many words to say something, yet without stating your case???

You writting so many words, yet without stating your case???

I have knowledge knowledge that I am hungry and a little bit tired right now. Prove to me that these bits of knowledge were 'handed down' from above.

You are not the Controller of you body's function.
You are not the Controller of you body's internal workings.

You are bequeathed with the machine called the body and The Physician Cannot claim to be the controller of his own body.

Even a legally troubled certified lawyer is advised to not represent himself in court but rather seek out council and representation by another expert.

How could you function in the real world had you not first acquired knowledge from expert mentors/Paid teachers first?

How could you drive an auto?

How could you have a legal sir-name?

 

[Nepenthe]

I think RF is more interesting now that some posters have adopted the Mad Libs method of posting.

 

[gnomon]

YES IT DOES!!!
YES IT DOES!!!
YES IT DOES!!!

Why are you writting so many words to say something, yet without stating your case???

You writting so many words, yet without stating your case???



You are not the Controller of you body's function.
You are not the Controller of you body's internal workings.

You are bequeathed with the machine called the body and The Physician Cannot claim to be the controller of his own body.

Even a legally troubled certified lawyer is advised to not represent himself in court but rather seek out council and representation by another expert.

How could you function in the real world had you not first acquired knowledge from expert mentors/Paid teachers first?

How could you drive an auto?

How could you have a legal sir-name?

If you want to make the "First Mover" argument but call it the "First Teacher" argument than just do it already.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Even a legally troubled certified lawyer is advised to not represent himself in court but rather seek out council and representation by another expert.

I've represented myself in court.

How could you function in the real world had you not first acquired knowledge from expert mentors/Paid teachers first?

How could you drive an auto?

Play around with a car long enough and you'll figure out which pedal accelerates, which pedal breaks and how the steering wheel works, even if you've never been taught.

When I learned to drive, I was taught the fundamentals first by my father and then by my driving instructor. But even this relied on me knowing things that nobody had ever taught me - you can teach someone the ideal following distance at various speeds; you can't teach someone depth perception.

But I've learned much more since then that was never taught to me by anyone. I've been driving for more than 16 years now, and my experience has increased both my knowledge and skill.

How could you have a legal sir-name?

If you fill out the right forms and pay the appropriate fees, your legal surname can be anything you like.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I think RF is more interesting now that some posters have adopted the Mad Libs method of posting.

In the beginning, BOOGERS created the FART, and it was good. BATMAN told Adam and MULVA not to eat from the tree of DINGLEBERRIES, but they disobeyed, so DAVID HASSELHOFF kicked them out of the TOILET.

 

[Willamena]

I think RF is more interesting now that some posters have adopted the Mad Libs method of posting.

Mad Libs?

 

[Revoltingest]

Mad Libs?

Mad Libs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Nepenthe]

In the beginning, BOOGERS created the FART, and it was good. BATMAN told Adam and MULVA not to eat from the tree of DINGLEBERRIES, but they disobeyed, so DAVID HASSELHOFF kicked them out of the TOILET.

I have some homework this weekend:

 

[Eliot Wild]

YES IT DOES!!!
YES IT DOES!!!
YES IT DOES!!!

Okay, that does it for me. Thank you kindly for indulging my questions this afternoon, and I wish you the best of luck in the future. However, we obviously see things from vastly different perspectives.

If I can't get you to agree that just because some knowledge is acquired in ONE particular manner that it certainly doesn't mean ALL other knowledge has to be acquired the same way, then it is pointless for us to attempt to discuss or debate any issues further.

To me, this is a pretty simple axiom that any reasonable person should be able to understand. I have tried metaphors, by explaining that just because one tree has green leaves doesn't mean that ALL trees have green leaves, and I have tried to be as straight and clear as possible. Obviously, I am simply incapable of connecting with you on any sort of rational level.

Why are you writting so many words to say something, yet without stating your case???

You writting so many words, yet without stating your case???

I think the above statements from you are proof-positive that though we inhabit the same planet, we actually live in two separate universes. I thought I was explaining my case. Again, it is this simple: Simply because some knowledge is acquired in a particular manner doesn't mean that all knowledge has to be acquired the same way.

I honestly don't know how much clearer and simpler I can make my case, regardless of how many or how few words I use.

You are not the Controller of you body's function.
You are not the Controller of you body's internal workings.

You are bequeathed with the machine called the body and The Physician Cannot claim to be the controller of his own body.

Even a legally troubled certified lawyer is advised to not represent himself in court but rather seek out council and representation by another expert.

How could you function in the real world had you not first acquired knowledge from expert mentors/Paid teachers first?

How could you drive an auto?

How could you have a legal sir-name

I honestly have no idea what this has to do with the central issue of this thread or with the question you and I have been woefully belaboring for the last two or three posts.

I believe English may be your second language and I respect the fact that you have taken the time to learn it so that you might discuss such matters with people who do not speak your original language. That is admirable. And I certainly don't want to insult you. But I think the gap between our understanding and our perspective is so wide, further discussion or debate of this subject would be absolutely fruitless for either of us. Good luck to you. And I do really hope you find someone else who can perhaps better understand your position.

 

[bhaktajan]

Okay, that does it for me. Thank you kindly for indulging my questions this afternoon

Followed by a 300 word essay . . .

I honestly have no idea what this has to do with the central issue of this thread

Preceeded by postings of over 1,000 words.


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Hmmm? I guess that if I were to search past posts by you . . . will I find engrossing dis-sertations?


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we obviously see things from vastly different perspectives.

But hwo do you now say "Vastly Different"?
The schools, Television, Radio, resturants, Public Utilities, Reproductive organs, Money exchange rates et al, are all shared the world over ---they all operate the same way.
If you travel to, say, Japan you will find they all speak Japanese the same way their Parents had learned from their parents ---you are best advised that "When in Rome do as the Romans do".

be seeing you,
Bhaktajan

 

[gnomon]

You picked a fine time to leave me Lucille.......

 

[Penumbra]

When an Atheist says “I am an Atheist because there is no evidence for God”, what do they mean? We have the world, life, consciousness, love, information, the ability to talk, think, and have morals. That all had to come from somewhere. The reality is 80% of the world believes in God, so the world we see and touch must have some inherent evidence built into it. For example when we see a painting we know there must be a painter so naturally when we see the world we know there must be a creator.

I suspect what they mean is God hasn’t stood in front of them and spoke directly to them or that they can’t see God with their eyes. Yet they believe in evolution, most of them which they can’t see happening, they rely on forensic science not observable science for that, why not rely on forensic science for the evidence for God? The earth and life is the evidence.

I'm consistently surprised that this sort of argument is still around.

The universe is complex. A given theist points out that since it's so complex, and we have all of this interesting stuff, that it must have had a creator. But a creator of such a complex thing would likely have to be complex as well, and yet no thought is put towards whether the creator itself needed a creator.

This type of god is a placeholder, a god of the gaps. It doesn't answer any questions, but instead simply shifts the questioning up by a level. Saying that the universe could not have always existed and could not have come from nothing, but that a creator could have always existed or come from nothing is unhelpful and provides no value. It puts little or nothing on the table for discussion.

And then on top of that, when one asserts a personal god rather than a deist god, not only does the theist still have the issue of a lack of evidence, but also evidence to the contrary.

 

[Twilight Hue]

When an Atheist says “I am an Atheist because there is no evidence for God”, what do they mean? We have the world, life, consciousness, love, information, the ability to talk, think, and have morals.

If you stop right there with just this, its obvious there is nothing beyond the human influence what is put forth.

That all had to come from somewhere.

Of course there is a compulsion to proceed rationally. A valid musing, but leaves the question asked, "If all does come from somewhere, where is somewhere then?" Truthfully I don't think everything requires an origin due to consistent change and form. Maybe energy is a key factor to the elusive somewhere, but it certainly needs further testing and experimentation of which the answers I'm quite sure, wont come in my lifetime. Personally, I think its a round about cosmic soup ad-infinitum, of which the "original" has been long gone by way of form and substance and impossible to source.

The reality is 80% of the world believes in God, so the world we see and touch must have some inherent evidence built into it. For example when we see a painting we know there must be a painter so naturally when we see the world we know there must be a creator.

Unfortunately, such predetermined and unsourced statistical data and their "conclusions" prove detrimental in finding out any real truth by the fact that such determinations are so poorly arrived at.

I suspect what they mean is God hasn’t stood in front of them and spoke directly to them or that they can’t see God with their eyes.

Bingo. Such a thing would certainly help the cause out. Dontcha think so?

Yet they believe in evolution, most of them which they can’t see happening, they rely on forensic science not observable science for that, why not rely on forensic science for the evidence for God? The earth and life is the evidence.

So, the processes of God are as slow as the processes of evolution? If your referring to the same evidence used to draw two different conclusions show the differences that point to something other than evolution?

Also how does forensic science fit in???? That requires organic material of which is observable. Maybe you meant forensic anthropology or osteology perhaps? I know of no scientific discipline whatsoever that omits the observable for that matter. All evolution studies is based on the observable.

 

[gnomon]

I'm consistently surprised that this sort of argument is still around.

Just wait until you read further into the thread.

Of course, you will have read those posts before this one.

Don't let this message from the future reach you after the present has become the past!

 

[bhaktajan]

The universe is complex. A given theist points out that since it's so complex

If you are a person ---why is God Not able to avail Himself of Hisown personality?
It because in our short span of existance we are bereft of a visitation by God?

Theist says the world is simply and because it is simply and made for enjoyment . . . why do we have to go to school?

2+2=4 for children and rocket scientists too.

Cute faces are cute for Humans, animal pups and God too.

Why hide from Gods face? Because of self-loathing?

 

[gnomon]

Words........

just floating around on the page with bits of punctuation.

 

[bhaktajan]

Truthfully I don't think everything requires an origin due to consistent change and form. Maybe energy is a key factor to the elusive somewhere, but it certainly needs further testing and experimentation of which the answers I'm quite sure, wont come in my lifetime. Personally, I think its a round about cosmic soup ad-infinitum, of which the "original" has been long gone by way of form and substance and impossible to source.

1] This is 'speculation'.
2] The speculator here admits to speculating.
3] The speculator here admits to awaiting word from Authorities to pronounce the final judgement.
4] The speculator here admits to plans to proceed through life without verifying the truth of the matter for themselves.

Long live the speculator and may they always have access to enjoyment birth after birth.

 

[Penumbra]

If you are a person ---why is God Not able to avail Himself of Hisown personality?
It because in our short span of existance we are bereft of a visitation by God?

Theist says the world is simply and because it is simply and made for enjoyment . . . why do we have to go to school?

2+2=4 for children and rocket scientists too.

Cute faces are cute for Humans, animal pups and God too.

Why hide from Gods face? Because of self-loathing?

Would you mind rephrasing that in a more coherent manner?

That way I could see how any of this relates to my post and discern what it is, exactly, that you're asking here so that I may respond.

 

[Autodidact]

If you are a person ---why is God Not able to avail Himself of Hisown personality?
It because in our short span of existance we are bereft of a visitation by God?

Theist says the world is simply and because it is simply and made for enjoyment . . . why do we have to go to school?

2+2=4 for children and rocket scientists too.

Cute faces are cute for Humans, animal pups and God too.

Why hide from Gods face? Because of self-loathing?

Can anyone here translate this into English? Thanks.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

It reminds me of the incoherent babblings of Mr Cheese.