What do Atheists mean about ‘No Evidence for God’

[Wombat]

These statements are demonstrably false, and have been proven so. Every grownup knows we cannot make things so by wishing them so. Otherwise beggars would ride.

Clearly you miss the point of the quotes which place the individual not in the position of asking/"begging"/"wishing" but in the position of acting/comanding on the basis of certainty of belief.
No matter.

Not interested in-
"Care to examine the nature of what is 'probable'?
The invitation is to establish what we would mutualy agree to be within the realms of probability/mere chance...and what would be considered improbable/beyond chance.Scenario-"...?
Ok.

 

[Autodidact]

Clearly you miss the point of the quotes which place the individual not in the position of asking/"begging"/"wishing" but in the position of acting/comanding on the basis of certainty of belief.
No matter.

It's not about begging. It's about whether we can make things true by believing them. We can't.

If I believe I can fly, and so step off the roof, my belief will not change my actions into flying. I'll still end up splat. This is pretty elementary stuff, that most 4-year olds understand.

Not interested in-
"Care to examine the nature of what is 'probable'?
The invitation is to establish what we would mutualy agree to be within the realms of probability/mere chance...and what would be considered improbable/beyond chance.Scenario-"...?
Ok.

I either don't understand what you're driving at, or why it would be relevant.

 

[sniper762]

autodict, lets see your "evidence" that substanciates your atheism.

i didnt tell what you believe, YOU DID in posting your religion. atheist = belief in no god

 

[Tristesse]

autodict, lets see your "evidence" that substanciates your atheism.

i didnt tell what you believe, YOU DID in posting your religion. atheist = belief in no god

First of all, atheism doesn't have a burden of proof. The reason for this, is because atheism isn't proposing anything. It's the rejection of a belief. Now, if atheism was the belief that no gods exist, then atheism would have a burden of proof, but thats not what atheism is. When you reject a belief, that doesn't mean that you necessarily accept the opposing belief. What you're referring to is anti-theism.

This might clear it up for you. Atheism isn't selling anything new, it's not buying what religion is selling.

 

[sniper762]

a·the·ism

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–noun 1. the doctrine or belief that there is no god. PLEASE POST EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THIS DOCTRINE

2. disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.

 

[Tristesse]

a·the·ism

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–noun 1. the doctrine or belief that there is no god. PLEASE POST EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THIS DOCTRINE

2. disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.

The last definition is the one that actually fits the term atheist. It's simply a rejection of theism. The first definition you have there is an inaccurate representation of atheism. I mean there are still some dictionary definitions that define atheism as immoral, and thats simply not true.

 

[Autodidact]

autodict, lets see your "evidence" that substanciates your atheism.

How about if you answer my question first. My question is:
In all other areas of your life, do you find it beneficial to believe things with no evidence. (It's been my experience that often Christians lack the common courtesy to answer reasonable questions that are politely posed in a debate. Do you have any idea why that is? I often find myself having to ask them to answer the questions, and repeat them over and over. It's almost as though they're afraid that answering them might expose the weakness in their position.)

If you want to talk about evidence for and against God, we can do that, but really all I need to do is assert that I believe there is some. You stated that your beliefs are based on no evidence.

I think you'll find it doesn't really work to believe in the existence of everything until there is evidence that it doesn't exist. If you try to live that way, you can't get out of bed in the morning, because of the possible invisible pixies you might be stepping on, the lack of existence of which you don't have evidence for.

Rather, it makes sense to proceed on the assumption that things that do NOT have evidence for existing, do not exist.

Which you say is the situation with your God.

i didnt tell what you believe, YOU DID in posting your religion. atheist = belief in no god

Well, you said

AUTODICT, those are your "own" feelings also.

You don't know what my feelings are. If you want to know, ask me.

 

[Autodidact]

a·the·ism

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–noun 1. the doctrine or belief that there is no god. PLEASE POST EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THIS DOCTRINE

That sounds interesting. Would you like me to start a thread?

 

[sniper762]

Both came from the same book. You say one is coorrect and the other is inacurate representation.

You speaketh with forketh tongue

 

[gnomon]

Are you kidding me.

Let the equivocation time begin!

 

[St Giordano Bruno]

Atheism has particularly gathering in respect since 1st Nov 1755 that BIG event that changed the world forever, the Great Lisbon Earthquake. At last man began to use naturalistic rather than supernaturalistic explanations to explain away such disasters so that earthquake was put down to a fault of a different kind. It was not the fault of the Lisbonian people committing Sodemy as Jesuit priest were preaching in the aftermath of the quake and God punishing them accordingly, but a fault in the earth's crust that caused it.

 

[Tristesse]

Both came from the same book. You say one is coorrect and the other is inacurate representation.

You speaketh with forketh tongue

I say that because atheism is the rejection of theism. Thats the definition, when you reject a belief, it doesn't mean you accept the opposing veiw. However, there are atheists who believe that no gods exist, but thats beyond the scope of atheism and in the realm of anti-theism. I'm aware that there are definitions that say atheism is the belief that there are no gods, and thats simply not the case.

 

[ellenjanuary]

Back away from the Auto. Let's not get crazy here.

It is actually easy to show evidence for atheism. Take my (extreme) case. There is evidence for Gwyneth Paltrow; I was just watching her. She is quite literally "my god." But no one with any sense believes she is god (most days I have more sense), and yet I can produce evidence that she is god. Atheism is clearly the rational choice, here.

 

[outhouse]

Both came from the same book. You say one is coorrect and the other is inacurate representation.

You speaketh with forketh tongue

here maybe this will clear up your imagination.

Atheism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Atheism, in a broad sense, is the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.[1] In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.[2] Most inclusively, atheism is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist.[3] Atheism is contrasted with theism,[4] which in its most general form is the belief that at least one deity exists.[5][6]

 

[Autodidact]

Both came from the same book. You say one is coorrect and the other is inacurate representation.

You speaketh with forketh tongue

Don't you think each person should only have to defend the position that they take? It's not so much the dictionary definition, as the definition that person uses. Similarly, I'm sure you only want to defend your own definition of Christianity, not someone else's, right?

 

[sniper762]

OTHER AREAS OF MY LIFE?

i am told that the sun is 93m miles from earth but ive seen no evidence

my mother told me that i am her son and that my brother is my brother but again no evidence

autodict is an atheist but still no evidence

i believe many things without evidence......dont you?

 

[Tristesse]

OTHER AREAS OF MY LIFE?

i am told that the sun is 93m miles from earth but ive seen no evidence

my mother told me that i am her son and that my brother is my brother but again no evidence

autodict is an atheist but still no evidence

i believe many things without evidence......dont you?

I don't want to speak for auto, but she's most likely an atheist because the god claims have failed to meet their burden of proof. Not because atheism has evidence, atheism is the conclusion you draw when claims have failed to meet their burden of proof. Like I said, atheism doesn't propose anything, it rejects a claim as unsupported by evidence.

 

[Autodidact]

OTHER AREAS OF MY LIFE?

i am told that the sun is 93m miles from earth but ive seen no evidence

Really? No evidence at all? How do you think scientists figured out how far away the sun is--maybe evidence?

my mother told me that i am her son and that my brother is my brother but again no evidence

None? No evidence at all? Well, let's start with your mother's statement--that's evidence. Then you have your physical resemblance. And your birth certificate. And your blood type. And your DNA. And the testimony of anyone who was present at your birth. And your experience of your mother's veracity, as we say in the law. Aren't all those things evidence?

autodict is an atheist but still no evidence

No evidence that I'm an atheist?

i believe many things without evidence......dont you?

No, but if you do, then will you please help me get $1,000,000 from Nigeria to the U.S.?

 

[St Giordano Bruno]

I believe Cell phones or Mobile phones may cause brain tumors when they are held up to your ear all the time, even though there is no conclusive evidence. I just take the practice not to do it too often just to be on the safe side.

 

[gnomon]

OTHER AREAS OF MY LIFE?

i am told that the sun is 93m miles from earth but ive seen no evidence

my mother told me that i am her son and that my brother is my brother but again no evidence

autodict is an atheist but still no evidence

i believe many things without evidence......dont you?

One can learn mathematics, physics, etc. to determine the distance from the sun to the earth. One cannot do that with God.

Take a genetics test. Ask for witnesses. Who knows? You might be adopted.

If she says she is an atheist than she is an atheist.

However, if one wishes to prove God many problems arise. Namely, which God? People think just providing evidence of some creative force in the universe proves the theological opinions they hold. It's illogical. If a creative force was proved in the universe than you know what you proved? A creative force in the universe. Not a god.

Of course, some would come forward on this very forum and say that is what god is. Which is a boring, trite and nonsense argument.

To clarify: Nothing you said has anything to do with faith in God. There are many people who believe things they cannot prove nor wish to prove. Like conservatives who think the ACLU is bastion of liberal wimps, that there was a large US government conspiracy to bring down the WTC or that they have been abducted by aliens.

But all of these can be investigated and falsified. A posited force that lies outside the universe and all possible physical laws cannot by definition be falsified.